Post-Brexit Thread

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well of course, but they can't admit that yet ! A lot of politicians from all sides aren't being straight on this; they are too worried about votes at the next election to say what they really think at the moment.

I did the old fashioned thing of writing to my MP on the issue. He's a Tory, but non the less a fairly reasonable bloke (!) He was on the remain side of the argument, and indeed his constituency voted to remain (being an educated place ) But ever since the Referendum he's suddenly changed sides - my argument is he should represent his constituents views (and his own). However he seems to be more interested in his career (he's a junior minister) and not upsetting she who must be obeyed.

Perhaps the uneducated of this country will teach the educated what it means to be Sovregn and Independant and flourish as a country.

[denphone]

Who is saying those who voted for Brexit are uneducated? and who says those who voted to stay in Europe are educated? as that one suspects that is a stereotypical view that does not stand up to any scrutiny at all.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

Who is saying those who voted for Brexit are uneducated? and who says those who voted to stay in Europe are educated? as that one suspects that is a stereotypical view that does not stand up to any scrutiny at all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ucated-old-an/

The Torygraph doesn't lie Den. Time will tell but I suspect a lot of people will end up feeling misled.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ucated-old-an/

The Torygraph doesn't lie Den. Time will tell but I suspect a lot of people will end up feeling misled.

An interesting use of statistics. I wonder why it didn't include areas where immigrants are now in the majority, eg. Blackburn, Burnley, Padiham, Birmingham et al, who are also entitled to vote and still voted leave? Then again most of those immigrants have been here for over a generation so I suppose they don't count for statistical purposes.

Perhaps if the "educated" areas of the country took thier fair share of immigrants then it could no longer be cited as an issue that only the "uneducated" are concerned with.

Would you accept that NIMBY= Educated? I'm sure it could be proved statistically.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

An interesting use of statistics. I wonder why it didn't include areas where immigrants are now in the majority, eg. Blackburn, Burnley, Padiham, Birmingham et al, who are also entitled to vote and still voted leave? Then again most of those immigrants have been here for over a generation so I suppose they don't count for statistical purposes.

Perhaps if the "educated" areas of the country took thier fair share of immigrants then it could no longer be cited as an issue that only the "uneducated" are concerned with.

Would you accept that NIMBY= Educated? I'm sure it could be proved statistically.

Immigrants do not make up the majority of people in the towns and cities you mention.
The cities with high proportions of immigrants like London voted to remain.

Originally Posted by denphone

Who is saying those who voted for Brexit are uneducated? and who says those who voted to stay in Europe are educated? as that one suspects that is a stereotypical view that does not stand up to any scrutiny at all.

It was never said they were uneducated - an extensive exit poll carried out by Lord Ashcroft's polling organisation showed a large % of those who said they had voted for Brexit also stated they hadn't undertaken Further or Higher Education; rags like the Sun, Mail, and Express twisted this into saying Remainers saying Brexiteers were uneducated.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It was never said they were uneducated - an extensive exit poll carried out by Lord Ashcroft's polling organisation showed a large % of those who said they had voted for Brexit also stated they hadn't undertaken Further or Higher Education; rags like the Sun, Mail, and Express twisted this into saying Remainers saying Brexiteers were uneducated.

The Telegraph begs to differ.

This was a pattern that was reflected in the results - with the Brexit vote correlating with areas with high shares of people with no education.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Immigrants do not make up the majority of people in the towns and cities you mention.
The cities with high proportions of immigrants like London voted to remain.

OK you know best how about an excessively large proportion of immigrants? Most are now 2nd or 3rd generation so have as much right to be here as anyone else yet those areas still voted Brexit.

Originally Posted by pip08456

The Telegraph begs to differ.





OK you know best how about an excessively large proportion of immigrants? Most are now 2nd or 3rd generation so have as much right to be here as anyone else yet those areas still voted Brexit.

Strange - I thought it agreed with me when it stated

while those with a GCSE or equivalent as their highest qualification were more likely to back Brexit.

Which is the same as not undertaking Further or Higher Education...

people with no education

It is their ham-fisted (or provocative, like the Sun, Mail, Express) way of interpreting what was said...

Here's the actual source data

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06...voted-and-why/

And it states

A majority (57%) of those with a university degree voted to remain, as did 64% of those with a higher degree and more than four in five (81%) of those still in full time education. Among those whose formal education ended at secondary school or earlier, a large majority voted to leave.

Please note there is nothing the source material about uneducated/no education, just a statement of fact about which stage in the education ladder people had ended their education.

btw, for those who keep stating that immigration wasn't important in the Brexit vote, the polls showed it was the 2nd most important reason for all Brexit voters. ]

One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.”

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Strange - I thought it agreed with me when it stated Which is the same as not undertaking Further or Higher Education...

It is their ham-fisted (or provocative, like the Sun, Mail, Express) way of interpreting what was said...

Agreed.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

The Telegraph begs to differ.https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...aurants-brexit

OK you know best how about an excessively large proportion of immigrants? Most are now 2nd or 3rd generation so have as much right to be here as anyone else yet those areas still voted Brexit.

A majority of people in these areas voted to leave the EU and that's their right. It would be interesting to see the immigration figures for these areas compared to the vote remain areas which are said to have high immigration rates.

One reason for these areas voting remain was that Asian communities were targeted by the Vote Leave campaign as it suggested a reduction in EU immigration would assist immigration from the Indian sub-continent.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...aurants-brexit

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

A majority of people in these areas voted to leave the EU and that's their right. It would be interesting to see the immigration figures for these areas compared to the vote remain areas which are said to have high immigration rates.

One reason for these areas voting remain was that Asian communities were targeted by the Vote Leave campaign as it suggested a reduction in EU immigration would assist immigration from the Indian sub-continent.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...aurants-brexit

trying to curry favour from the referendum eh

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

trying to curry favour from the referendum eh

I see what you did there

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I see what you did there

It's a hot topic.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Maybe they'll teach them how to spell 'sovereign' and 'independent'?

I'm uneducated, it's not my fault. I blame the government!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'm uneducated, it's not my fault. I blame the government!

You sure it's not down to Brexit?