04-12-2018, 18:17
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Hugh
We can’t give instructions to Parliament - we are in a Representative Democracy, not Delegated one.
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Rubbish. I stand by what I said. We gave an instruction to parliament when they passed the question to us on leaving the EU.
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04-12-2018, 18:18
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Re: Brexit
If Brexit is scrapped, I wonder if the EU will send us a bill for their 'wasted' time in negotiating over the past two years or so?
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04-12-2018, 18:23
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
And we gave an instruction to parliament to withdraw the UK from the corrupted EU via the EU Referendum!
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I know! What absolute treachery! The electorate will not forget this.
I'm beginning to think that only a General Election will resolve this. If the Conservatives made the delivery of Brexit their pledge if they are elected, I am confident they will get back with a pretty good majority, particularly if Labout start regressing back to a remain position.
But we should not have arrived in this position.
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Originally Posted by Dave42
no deal just about dead now thankfully
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Nice to have confirmation of your democratic principles, Dave. 
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Originally Posted by Damien
The amendment passes! Parliament can instruct what happens after May’s deal fails!
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Like what?
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04-12-2018, 18:23
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
And we gave an instruction to parliament to withdraw the UK from the corrupted EU via the EU Referendum!
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But now Parliament has more say in what leaving looks like than it did yesterday (assuming May’s deal fails which it probably will)
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04-12-2018, 18:24
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Re: Brexit
"heil hitler"
That is the only way to go if we stay in the EU
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04-12-2018, 18:25
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Damien
But now Parliament has more say in what leaving looks like than it did yesterday (assuming May’s deal fails which it probably will)
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So we take from that you prefer Parliament to be able to overrule the will of the electorate.
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04-12-2018, 18:26
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Re: Brexit
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Like what?
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Well first of all it seems as if the Tories that want EEA might try to push for that in the aftermath of May’s deal failing and now they have a way to get it to a vote.
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04-12-2018, 18:26
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I know! What absolute treachery! The electorate will not forget this.
I'm beginning to think that only a General Election will resolve this. If the Conservatives made the delivery of Brexit their pledge if they are elected, I am confident they will get back with a pretty good majority, particularly if Labout start regressing back to a remain position.
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She did that on the 8 June 2017 and it failed miserably as it mortally weakened her government.
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04-12-2018, 18:28
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I know! What absolute treachery! The electorate will not forget this.
I'm beginning to think that only a General Election will resolve this. If the Conservatives made the delivery of Brexit their pledge if they are elected, I am confident they will get back with a pretty good majority, particularly if Labout start regressing back to a remain position.
But we should not have arrived in this position.
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Nice to have confirmation of your democratic principles, Dave.
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no we need to leave with a deal not a no deal Den and remember we are a parliament sovereignty
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04-12-2018, 18:29
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Damien
Well first of all it seems as if the Tories that want EEA might try to push for that in the aftermath of May’s deal failing and now they have a way to get it to a vote.
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And that would require us to accept free movement, which is precisely why many people voted for Brexit.
As the majority of the electorate do not want free movement, how the hell is that any kind of solution?
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04-12-2018, 18:33
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Dave42
no deal just about dead now thankfully
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Actually it's not - Motions and Amendments are not binding on the PM. Acts are law.
Motions are motions.
The executive still decides how to proceed.
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But now Parliament has more say in what leaving looks like than it did yesterday (assuming May’s deal fails which it probably will)
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That is not true. They can debate but they cannot dictate what happens. The Government can still set out further plans and has 21 one days to do so. The executive, that's the government, still has the power on how it proceeds.
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04-12-2018, 18:35
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Re: Brexit
May announces plans to give parliament greater role in next stage of UK’s negotiation with EU.
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May says in the next stage of the negotiations MPs will be consulted on that the UK wants. She says there will be a “greater and more formal role for parliament”.
She says she also wants a wide public consultation.
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04-12-2018, 18:36
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
So we take from that you prefer Parliament to be able to overrule the will of the electorate.
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You need to read up on how our Democracy works - we cannot order Parliament to do anything - if we are unhappy with our representative, our only option is to vote them out at the next election.
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04-12-2018, 18:37
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
Extremely poor analogy.
The Amendment motion that just got voted on and won is not binding either.
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Government will be on very thin ice if it wants to become the first to be held in contempt on two occasions.
It’s a fantastic analogy, if the sum total of two separate bad ideas with one common feature get a narrow majority you can’t claim the most popular option was the pub or bowling.
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04-12-2018, 18:38
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
Actually it's not - Motions and Amendments are not binding on the PM. Acts are law.
Motions are motions.
The executive still decides how to proceed.
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That is not true. They can debate but they cannot dictate what happens. The Government can still set out further plans and has 21 one days to do so. The executive, that's the government, still has the power on how it proceeds.
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and mps will change law to stop it very few in parliament want a no deal Brexit and TM just mentioned a no Brexit again too
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