Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It would certainly more entertaining than you, which doesn't set a very high bar.

Good one, hope that helps...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Good one, hope that helps...

Would you like an amusing GIF?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

just like Johnson not knowing he was at a party that you keep defending if Stamer is proving guilty he should resign but you never say that about Johnson even when he been proven guilty

You have misinterpreted my position on this. I say that the Starmer and Johnson situations are extremely similar when comparing the PM's cake ambush and so-called 'beergate'. Both were work related. Starmer was in the middle of canvassing and stopped to get some food and a drink. Johnson was between meetings when the cake came in - something he wasn't expecting. In both situations, they were mixing with colleagues, not other members of the public.

I would not have said, on the face of it, that either of them broke the rules over these two incidents because both had to be at work. However, given that Starmer has been making a huge meal out of BJ's behaviour during lockdown, he has no business complaining that the focus is now on him, and he needs to face up to the fact that his position is extremely similar to Johnson's.

Much as I think that neither man has broken the rules in the cases before us, if one does get fined (and of course the PM has), so should the other.

Some will point to reports that BJ was also involved in other 'parties', but the result of that police investigation has not yet emerged, and is irrelevant to this specific case.

It is absolutely amazing that Starmer called for Johnson's resignation just because he was being investigated, but can't see that his determination to carry on as Leader of the Opposition while himself under investigation flies in the face of his previous position.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You have misinterpreted my position on this. I say that the Starmer and Johnson situations are extremely similar when comparing the PM's cake ambush and so-called 'beergate'. Both were work related. Starmer was in the middle of canvassing and stopped to get some food and a drink. Johnson was between meetings when the cake came in - something he wasn't expecting. In both situations, they were mixing with colleagues, not other members of the public.

Oh, I think the police have something else that suggests this was a party and not a work event. Remember they've already investigated it when we had the picture of him with the beer and knew it was a takeaway curry. So that can't be it alone. We know now there were quite a few curries and Rayner was there but to me that doesn't change it (Rayner and Starmer hate each other so that suggests work event even more!).

The police must have something that suggests it was fun and not work.

Durham police can't be blind to the storm that would come if they reopened an investigation and issued a fine without that new evidence after a newspaper campaign. They will have a reason to have reopened it.

[papa smurf]

'Very worried' Keir Starmer 'tells colleagues he will have to QUIT if he gets Covid fine and asks Lord Falconer to put together Beergate legal defence team'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ovid-fine.html



Why would an innocent man need a legal defence team

I hope it’s true he’ll quit if he gets a fine. He should say that publicly to avoid it being the topic of every interview.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

I hope it’s true he’ll quit if he gets a fine. He should say that publicly to avoid it being the topic of every interview.

Or he should say he'll quit if bozo does!! Has Starmer stood before parliament and lied about this stuff? Bit of a difference if he hasn't I'd say

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Or he should say he'll quit if bozo does!! Has Starmer stood before parliament and lied about this stuff? Bit of a difference if he hasn't I'd say

I don’t think Johnson should be the example. He may be a waste of space but he should continue to expect more of other politicians and make sure Johnson is an aberration and not someone who set the bar even lower for everyone else

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Or he should say he'll quit if bozo does!! Has Starmer stood before parliament and lied about this stuff? Bit of a difference if he hasn't I'd say

does it matter where they lie from, if Starmer has knowingly lied about breaking the law and has given the police false information/missed out the relevant facts about the rave he attended with his deputy leader then he is in deep doo doo.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don’t think Johnson should be the example. He may be a waste of space but he should continue to expect more of other politicians and make sure Johnson is an aberration and not someone who set the bar even lower for everyone else

I have been told for years on here that I'm naive to expect politicians not to lie, not to cheat and wrong to generally expect them be held to a higher standard than the rest of us and everybody knows that, well this is the result and tbh we deserve it, we've put up with it and excused it because they're on our side in a particular argument so we get the politicians we deserve

Originally Posted by papa smurf

does it matter where they lie from, if Starmer has knowingly lied about breaking the law and has given the police false information/missed out the relevant facts about the rave he attended with his deputy leader then he is in deep doo doo.

It matters to them apparently, they can lie to us without consequence but apparently lying in the chamber is frowned upon, personally I'd like to see all the liars and cheats led out in handcuffs but that's just me being naive again

[Itshim]

The main problem is the police are prosecution, defence, judge and jury . So it comes down to a few peoples opinion . Clearly I feel party choices / political leanings of those judging with have a great influence on the outcome.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

'Very worried' Keir Starmer 'tells colleagues he will have to QUIT if he gets Covid fine

A complete over-reaction. Neither should resign over such a minor matter.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Or he should say he'll quit if bozo does!! Has Starmer stood before parliament and lied about this stuff? Bit of a difference if he hasn't I'd say

The question is whether lies have been told. If both honestly believed, with credibility, that they had not broken the rules, then they haven't lied.

Although a bit nit-picking, Starmer has lied about the unavailability of food at his hotel and the presence of legs-swinging Angela Rayner with her Kenny Everett speciality turn. But frankly, I'm not concerned about that, although I do wonder if there's more to this than meets the eye.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

A complete over-reaction. Neither should resign over such a minor matter.

True, but Starmer has hammered Boris over a slice of cake for weeks now, constantly demanding his resignation, I don't see how he could justify not resigning.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Itshim

The main problem is the police are prosecution, defence, judge and jury . So it comes down to a few peoples opinion . Clearly I feel party choices / political leanings of those judging with have a great influence on the outcome.

BJ could appeal, but it simply drags this on and he needs to concentrate on governing the country.

Those who are concentrating on cake rather than the extraordinary problems we face at present are clearly easily distracted.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

A complete over-reaction. Neither should resign over such a minor matter.

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The question is whether lies have been told. If both honestly believed, with credibility, that they had not broken the rules, then they haven't lied.

Although a bit nit-picking, Starmer has lied about the unavailability of food at his hotel and the presence of legs-swinging Angela Rayner with her Kenny Everett speciality turn. But frankly, I'm not concerned about that, although I do wonder if there's more to this than meets the eye.

You don't just place a last minute order for curry for 30 people, it takes about 1 1/2 hours to get four ruddy pizzas delivered around here, if you wanted a large curry order you would have to pre-book it, ie plan it in advance.