Brexit discussion

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Dave42

hit nail on head remember the Brextremists only think one vote counts and no one has right to say anything about it

Agreed.

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Meanwhile, Angela Merkel had the world's journalists laughing. At Brexit Britain's expense of course.

At the World Economic Forum in Davos last week, Angela Merkel naughtily poked fun at Theresa May, in a secret briefing for journalists.
Here's what transpired, according to those there.
Mrs Merkel said that when she asks Mrs May what she wants the shape of the UK's relationship with the EU to be, Mrs May says "make me an offer".
To which Mrs Merkel says, "but you're leaving - we don't have to make you an offer. Come on what do you want?
To which Mrs May replies "make me an offer".
And so, according to Mrs Merkel, the two find themselves trapped in a recurring loop of "what do you want?" and "make me an offer".
At its telling, the hacks laughed uproariously - though I am not sure this is so funny for the UK.

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-01-29/...dy-double-act/

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed.

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Meanwhile, Angela Merkel had the world's journalists laughing. At Brexit Britain's expense of course.

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-01-29/...dy-double-act/

Interesting to see Angela Merkel has the time to make anyone laugh, given she is unable form an effective government.

The Government commissioned analysis on the economic impact of the various Brexit options and has been so careful as to only show a cabinet minster at a time.

Naturally it's leaked immediately: https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonard...le9#.majkANAG7

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Damien

The Government commissioned analysis on the economic impact of the various Brexit options and has been so careful as to only show a cabinet minster at a time.

Naturally it's leaked immediately: https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonard...le9#.majkANAG7

was just gonna post that but the Brextremists will deny it as usual

A journalist from The Times now suggests that the leak means the entire report might now find it's way to Parliament....

Parliament will now want the full document. And the Commons probably has the numbers to force it out of government...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

The Government commissioned analysis on the economic impact of the various Brexit options and has been so careful as to only show a cabinet minster at a time.

Naturally it's leaked immediately: https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonard...le9#.majkANAG7

Could David Cameron have commissioned something like this before the referendum and would it have swayed people?

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Originally Posted by Damien

A journalist from The Times now suggests that the leak means the entire report might now find its way to Parliament....

lol, there's no other possible outcome, surely?
Finally, as the Brextremists crawl back under their rocks again, how can Theresa May put a brave face on this damning evidence?

Sigh....Some people still don’t get it that leaving the corrupt and pathetic EU is not just about money.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Could David Cameron have commissioned something like this before the referendum and would it have swayed people?

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lol, there's no other possible outcome, surely?
Finally, as the Brextremists crawl back under their rocks again, how can Theresa May put a brave face on this damning evidence?

Whose crawling under their rocks?. I’m not and I still would vote leave. I’m sick of saying I do not to be part of a corrupt union that eventually wants to become a U.S.E !

Originally Posted by Mick

Sigh....Some people still don’t get it that leaving the corrupt and pathetic EU is not just about money.

It may not 'just' be about money but money and jobs are pretty critical to people. Maybe people didn't think there would be £350 million extra for the NHS and maybe they didn't really think much would change. I doubt that many voted with the expectation they might lose out.

Anyway it might be worth waiting to see if this leak is genuine. The Government were very secretive about this document, minsters had to see it one by one and in a room without any paperwork being taken out with them. It's quite a leak if true.

‘Might’ being the key word as usual.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I’m sick of saying I do not to be part of a corrupt union that eventually wants to become a U.S.E !

Even if some EU countries formed a closer relationship, the UK would have had a veto. And you've yet to explain why the EU is corrupt despite repeating the assertion.

Anyway, assuming the Buzzfeed report is true*, the cat's out of the bag:

Leaving the EU means less money for the NHS and our armed forces...as I've said from day one.

*Now being reported in Financial Times, a paper not known for taking risks.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Even if some EU countries formed a closer relationship, the UK would have had a veto. And you've yet to explain why the EU is corrupt despite repeating the assertion.

Anyway, the big story is the cat's out of the bag:

Leaving the EU means less money for the NHS and our armed forces...as I've said from day one.

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If strong evidence = UK will suffer financially under Brexit then goto denial and posting = "fake news" or "might is not strong enough" or "we should not discuss this topic"

There is no cat out of the bag. It’s not going to change a thing, so stop leaping about as if this means anything.

I have explained plenty of times why EU is corrupt. So I have nothing yet to explain at all.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

There is no cat out of the bag. It’s not going to change a thing, so stop leaping about as if this means anything.

I have explained plenty of times why EU is corrupt. So I have nothing yet to explain at all.

Um, think this pretty much matches the expression.

It doesn't matter if this evidence changes your mind or not; it will have an important impact on public opinion and encourage the Government towards a soft Brexit. It will certainly make the May council elections even more exciting.

Good news for democracy that this report is out in the open and not kept within the confines of the political elite.

[Carth]

It's a load of cack, (evidence of what? ) the same people trotting out the same flawed statistics . . . err I mean guesswork . . that worked out to be oh so accurate in the past, right?

Remoaners straw clutching yet again?

Come on guys . . secret meetings, one on ones, hush hush don't say a word, then . . ooops it got leaked


I bet there's people even now saying the Russians leaked it

[1andrew1]

Project Fear?

Britain will be left worse off under all Brexit scenarios, with financial services, chemicals, clothing, manufacturing, food and drink, cars and retailing among the sectors worst hit, according to secret government analysis.

I'm afraid not. It's Project Reality.
https://www.ft.com/content/b3d35136-...0-9c0ad2d7c5b5

[Carth]

and the evidence you have of this is??

Britain will be left worse off under all Brexit scenarios, with financial services, chemicals, clothing, manufacturing, food and drink, cars and retailing among the sectors worst hit, according to secret government analysis.


aah, thought so.

It's just what some people (highly educated and in positions of National importance) have 'accidentally' allowed to be leaked to the press - again!

one has to wonder why