UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal
26-04-2020, 20:27
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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The third being walking away without any deal or extension?
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I was hoping you would say that!
Yes, we agree!!! 😂
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27-04-2020, 15:57
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
Gove up at the Brexit committee today.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...asing-lockdown
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He refused to say whether the UK still planned to walk away from the talks if it had not made good progress towards a deal in June. Asked about this, he said he did not want to pre-empt the government’s response.
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Of course he’d not want to wilfully mislead Parliament. 
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27-04-2020, 16:05
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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Of course not.
I'm sure they'd still like to stick to the timetable. The high-heid-yins of our present administration are all true believers, which is why so many people voted for them. So when the near-inevitable extension comes, there's no need to start fulminating as we (rightly, IMO) did so on the day Teresa May stood up and told parliament it was not possible for us to leave the EU on 29 March last year.
Gove can't mislead parliament and he knows full well there is a very substantial risk that the civil service's reduced capacity due to coronavirus will mean that when 'substantial progress' hasn't been made by June, there's not a snowball's chance in hell that he can reasonably blame that on EU intransigence.
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27-04-2020, 16:17
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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Of course not.
I'm sure they'd still like to stick to the timetable. The high-heid-yins of our present administration are all true believers, which is why so many people voted for them. So when the near-inevitable extension comes, there's no need to start fulminating as we (rightly, IMO) did so on the day Teresa May stood up and told parliament it was not possible for us to leave the EU on 29 March last year.
Gove can't mislead parliament and he knows full well there is a very substantial risk that the civil service's reduced capacity due to coronavirus will mean that when 'substantial progress' hasn't been made by June, there's not a snowball's chance in hell that he can reasonably blame that on EU intransigence.
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beg to disagree on your odds.
Robert Frost and his team are at work. The big issues are the subject of publicly stated (last week) EU intransigence.
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27-04-2020, 16:34
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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beg to disagree on your odds.
Robert Frost and his team are at work. The big issues are the subject of publicly stated (last week) EU intransigence.
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Oh, I know the EU is being intransigent - don't get me wrong. I just don't think they can plausibly be apportioned enough of the blame come June for HMG to walk away.
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27-04-2020, 17:33
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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Oh, I know the EU is being intransigent - don't get me wrong. I just don't think they can plausibly be apportioned enough of the blame come June for HMG to walk away.
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It is important, though, for the UK Guvmin to keep up the pressure. One side or the other can always back down at the right moment.
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27-04-2020, 17:35
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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It is important, though, for the UK Guvmin to keep up the pressure. One side or the other can always back down at the right moment.
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So true.
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27-04-2020, 19:09
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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beg to disagree on your odds.
Robert Frost and his team are at work. The big issues are the subject of publicly stated (last week) EU intransigence.
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Robert Frost and his team may be at work, though Wikipedia says the US poet died in 1963.  Boris Johnson is putting his money on David Frost. 
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27-04-2020, 19:33
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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Robert Frost and his team may be at work, though Wikipedia says the US poet died in 1963. Boris Johnson is putting his money on David Frost. |
Quite apposite...
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Also one for our current COVID-19 situation
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27-04-2020, 19:50
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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It is important, though, for the UK Guvmin to keep up the pressure. One side or the other can always back down at the right moment.
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If there's any backing down to be done, it needs to be by the EU. They are not treating us as an independent nation and we cannot give in to that.
I doubt that the government could survive capitulating to the EU in this way. Better to have a 'no deal'. US, here we come!
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27-04-2020, 20:01
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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Oh, I have been paying attention, jfman - have you? I've already made the point that there is a separate team dealing with the EU and they are not also involved in the health emergency.
I have never said that fish is not part of trade, I said our fishing rights are not for the trade agreement.
As for the bit that I've emboldened in your post, I think you are pretty safe in saying that as I cannot think of a third alternative! However, the most likely position will be that the Withdrawal Agreement will end on the due date.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9486261.html
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Mr Gove also revealed to the committee that a “significant number” of officials working on Brexit have been moved onto tackling the coronavirus outbreak.
Initially saying “just shy of 100” civil servants being sent to work on Covid-19, the senior minister later corrected the figure to 47 Whitehall officials being moved.
But he insisted that the timetable was not in doubt, adding: “Taskforce Europe and the Transition Taskforce [the teams working on Brexit] have had some of their top people redeployed to Covid-19 but at the same time, the teams have had all the help they need from departmental specialists in areas like fisheries and trade to ensure that their work can continue.”
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28-04-2020, 13:34
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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Yes, I picked that up after making my last comment on this, which was based on the government's previous statement.
However, given the distinct lack of constructive action and the prevarication on the EU side, I guess it doesn't make sense to have all those talented people twiddling their thumbs!
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28-04-2020, 13:51
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
The matters in dispute are high level topics that don't need experts at this stage. Until we get past the EU red lines, very little can be achieved apart from some BAU stuff like cross-channel ferries, Eurostar, flights, etc.
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28-04-2020, 15:47
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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Yes, I picked that up after making my last comment on this, which was based on the government's previous statement.
However, given the distinct lack of constructive action and the prevarication on the EU side, I guess it doesn't make sense to have all those talented people twiddling their thumbs!
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28-04-2020, 18:33
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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
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