President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

That's a good deal for the Democrats and Trump IMO. The DACA immigrants get citizenship and Trump gets border wall funding. That's unless there is something hidden in the detail somewhere.

In other news Trump ordered Mueller to be fired back before the summer but backed down after the White House legal team said they would resign before they did it. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/u...T.nav=top-news

Or a Fox News link: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...urce-says.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42829555#

US president Donald Trump has said he is prepared to apologise for retweeting posts from a British far-right group.

In an interview with ITV's Piers Morgan, Mr Trump said he knew "nothing" about Britain First before sharing three of its videos in November.

"If you are telling me they're horrible people, horrible, racist people, I would certainly apologise if you'd like me to do that," he told Morgan.

Well I'll take it as the best we will get..

"I would certainly apologise if you’d like me to do that"

Father to little boy "you shouldn’t have broken that".

Little boy "I’ll say sorry if you want me to".

Disingenuous verbiage.

Here’s a handy hint to the most powerful individual in the world - don’t re-post random shit you see on the internet; you have a multitude of Intelligence agencies which costs around $70 billion per year - they are more reliable than some rando on Twitter.

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Missing FBI texts found.

This should put the cat amongst the pidgeons.

Originally Posted by pip08456

Missing FBI texts found.

This should put the cat amongst the pidgeons.

Depends if they find anything on them. At least they've been found, better finding out the truth one way or another.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...election-hacks

Turns out the Dutch Intelligence Service had themselves hacked the Russian hackers and provided evidence of their activcities to the FBI back in 2016:

The Dutch intelligence service passed on “crucial evidence” to the FBI about Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant reported Friday, citing the results of an investigation.

Hackers from the Dutch intelligence service known as the AIVD gained access to the network of Russian hacking group “Cozy Bear” in the summer of 2014. While monitoring the group’s activities, the AIVD learned of attacks launched on the Democratic Party, according to six unidentified American and Dutch sources cited by the investigation.

The information provided by the Dutch gave grounds for the FBI to start an investigation into the influence of Russian interference on the election race between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, according to the newspaper report based on a collaborative investigation with Eelco Bosch van Rosenthal, a journalist at Dutch news program Nieuwsuur. A spokeswoman for the AIVD declined to comment on the report when contacted by phone on Friday.

Originally Posted by pip08456

Missing FBI texts found.

This should put the cat amongst the pidgeons.

Yes found by the U.S Inspector General, I cannot wait to see his report, if and when it will be made public on the abuses that are said to have happened in the Department of Justice, under the Obama Administration.

These corrupt FBI agents never seemed to work, just text each other. Couldn’t have been very good agents, leaving a trail of their infectious investigative work.

Some texts released yesterday, saying Strzok wanted to go ‘Easy’ on the Investigation on Hillary Clinton, as she could be the president, thankfully that never happened. Then the left deploys it’s distraction technique by releasing old news about Trump wanting to fire Mueller. Trump today says it’s typical NYT Fake News.

There was a story floating about last year of a friend saying Trump wanted to fire Mueller but obviously he didn’t, he should and he does have the Authority to do so, but it would be a political disaster. The whole Mueller thing is a sham, allegedly manufactured by the Fake Russian Dossier, paid for by the Democrats and Crooked Hillary campaign.

Originally Posted by Mick

Hillary Clinton, as she could be the president, thankfully that never happened. Then the left deploys it’s distraction technique by releasing old news about Trump wanting to fire Mueller. Trump today says it’s typical NYT Fake News.

Yes because Trump denied it then it can't be true....

By the way Fox News also claims a source told them Trump had stated this to them: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...urce-says.html

President Trump told top officials this past June that he wanted to fire special counsel Robert Mueller, but was talked out of doing so by White House counsel Don McGahn and other aides, a source close to the White House told Fox News late Thursday.

Is that the 'left's distraction technique' too?

The whole Mueller thing is a sham, allegedly manufactured by the Fake Russian Dossier, paid for by the Democrats and Crooked Hillary campaign.

Alleged by Trump and some Republicans. Hell even Trump isn't directly suggesting it. Doesn't make it true. In fact the link above from Bloomberg suggests it was information passed by Dutch Intelligence that started the FBI investigation which in turn led to the Mueller investigation. Still it can't all be a sham since two people have already been charged and pled guilty....

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Or is Bloomberg fake news too?

I believe the information coming from Republican lawmakers, that the Democrats and Hillary campaign were the real ones doing the colluding, those text messages are just the icing on the cake.

BTW Since the texts have be found we now know about this secret society, worse than Watergate, that the FBI were up too: https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/956597413543927810

“Sources familiar with the text exchange on the ‘secret society’ say the calendars Page mentioned are a reference to gag gift of Putin-themed calendars that Strzok purchased for those working on the early stage of the Russia investigation,”

I believe the information coming from Republican lawmakers, that the Democrats and Hillary campaign were the real ones doing the colluding, those text messages are just the icing on the cake.

And the crimes you are talking about that the two have Pledged guilty to are to crimes totally unrelated to any collusion, so go figure.

Originally Posted by Mick

I believe the information coming from Republican lawmakers, that the Democrats and Hillary campaign were the real ones doing the colluding, those text messages are just the icing on the cake.

It's a matter of faith though isn't it? Because they haven't provided anything other than accusational tweets. That's not information, it's fan-fiction or at best speculation.

I wonder what it would actually take for you not to believe it because you don't believe multiple news organisations with seperate sources and at least one being Pro-Trump saying he did in fact try to fire Muller because Trump said he didn't. Yet you will believe vague Tweets from Republicans.

Originally Posted by Damien

It's a matter of faith though isn't it? Because they haven't provided anything other than accusational tweets. That's not information, it's fan-fiction or at best speculation.

I wonder what it would actually take for you not to believe it because you don't believe multiple news organisations with seperate sources and at least one being Pro-Trump saying he did in fact try to fire Muller because Trump said he didn't. Yet you will believe vague Tweets from Republicans.

So the ‘insurance policy’ text means nothing?

Text messages between a certain date go missing and the last date they start up again is the same day Robert Mueller is appointed Special Counsel.

Come off it Damien. Jeez.

Originally Posted by Mick

And the crimes you are talking about that the two have Pledged guilty to are to crimes totally unrelated to any collusion, so go figure.

Not collusion no but Mullers remit was wider than that. Here is the official task he was given:

On May 17, 2017, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointed Mueller to serve as special counsel for the United States Department of Justice. In this capacity, Mueller oversees the investigation into “any links and/or coordination between Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump, and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation"

It's been clear for some time now that Muller's been investigating illegal payments and obstruction of justice into the FBI's investigation into those payments rather than electoral interference. We know this much from Corney's own testimony after he was fired.

I don't think they will find any collusion. I said back at the time that it didn't make sense for either Russia or Trump to bother with colluding. I do believe Russia interfered against Clinton but they didn't need to be directed by Trump....

I wouldn’t trust Comey, he is unreliable, just look at text messages saying AG, Loretta Lynch knew what Comey was going to announce but pretended otherwise and she told him not to call it an investigation, call it a matter, he got a queasy feeling, but said it wasn’t a hill worth dying on and went along with what she told him to say, but she was wrong to do that.

Originally Posted by Mick

So the ‘insurance policy’ text means nothing?

Text messages between a certain date go missing and the last date they start up again is the same day Robert Mueller is appointed Special Counsel.

Come off it Damien. Jeez.

Well the texts have been found so let's see what there is. We know of at least one 'shocking' revelation that on reveal of the messages where a joke.

And I have not said that these two agents didn't do anything. I have said they should be investigated. If that investigation then leads to other people being taken down so be it. However I haven't seen anything yet that escalates this story beyond the two people involved. Having a test message that talks of a 'insurance policy' means nothing in isolation. Maybe their 'insurance policy' was that the bung £100 on a Trump win to cash in? That was my insurance policy.

It's also possible for two things to be true: People in Trump's camp were up to no good and some people in the FBI were up to no good. Investigate possible crimes amongst the Democrats, Republicans and FBI if there is evidence to do so.

I didn't call the New York Times fake news when they broke the story about Clinton's e-mails. If there is a case then investigate it.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I wouldn’t trust Comey, he is unreliable, just look at text messages saying AG, Loretta Lynch knew what Comey was going to announce but pretended otherwise and she told him not to call it an investigation, call it a matter, he got a queasy feeling, but said it wasn’t a hill worth dying on and went along with what she told him to say, but she was wrong to do that.

His testimony wouldn't be enough. If Muller comes out and this entire case is 'Corney told me so' then yes this is a nothing story.