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Old 25-06-2019, 11:48   #106
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Re: Hillsborough - 20th anniversary

Hillsborough match commander David Duckenfield is to face a retrial over the deaths of 95 football fans.

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Old 25-06-2019, 12:31   #107
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I appreciate that, but the whole thing has been a shambles from start to finish. It’s fundamentally a state cover up (in my opinion).
It was a cover-up at the time. The first trial verdict is not directly the result of that cover up, except in the sense that evidence was harder to gather even than would normally be the case so long after the fact.

Perhaps that’s why the judge has agreed to order a retrial today.
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It was a cover-up at the time. The first trial verdict is not directly the result of that cover up, except in the sense that evidence was harder to gather even than would normally be the case so long after the fact.

Perhaps that’s why the judge has agreed to order a retrial today.
Shame the PM of the time can't be brought to account.
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Old 25-06-2019, 16:21   #109
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Shame the PM of the time can't be brought to account.
Huh ?

What does it have to do with the PM of the time (whoever that was).
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Huh ?

What does it have to do with the PM of the time (whoever that was).
It was Thatcher, so therefore she’s guilty. As far as Lefties are concerned, everything that has gone wrong since 1979 is Maggie Thatcher’s fault.
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Huh ?

What does it have to do with the PM of the time (whoever that was).
Irvine Patnick was the source for a lot of the headlines, there was collusion between that rag of a newspaper, the police and the government

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It was Thatcher, so therefore she’s guilty. As far as Lefties are concerned, everything that has gone wrong since 1979 is Maggie Thatcher’s fault.
Or we could just establish the level of guilt, might be she just didn't want the police force that did her dirty work in the miners strike criticised or it might run deeper, lets find out
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Re: Hillsborough - 20th anniversary

Well there has been a public enquiry and people identified as having a case to answer have been named. That enquiry failed to establish a plot extending all the way to Downing Street, despite having been set in motion by a Labour government against civil service advice, so clearly willing to upset the establishment. If Thatcher had been implicated, we’d have known about it by now. Sorry to disappoint.
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Well there has been a public enquiry and people identified as having a case to answer have been named. That enquiry failed to establish a plot extending all the way to Downing Street, despite having been set in motion by a Labour government against civil service advice, so clearly willing to upset the establishment. If Thatcher had been implicated, we’d have known about it by now. Sorry to disappoint.
I'm not disappointed, why would people's names being cleared of wrong doing disappoint?
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Re: Hillsborough - 20th anniversary

It seemed very much like you were angling to put the boot into Thatcher, that’s why ...
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It seemed very much like you were angling to put the boot into Thatcher, that’s why ...
More like putting the boot into the guilty, whoever they are
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Old 26-05-2021, 12:03   #116
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Re: Hillsborough - 20th anniversary

Hillsborough disaster trial collapses as judge rules no case to answer


The trial of two retired police officers and a solicitor accused of perverting the course of justice following the Hillsborough disaster has collapsed after the judge ruled there was no case to answer.

Retired South Yorkshire Police officers Donald Denton, 83, and Alan Foster, 74, and the force's former solicitor Peter Metcalf, 71, have all been acquitted.

The three men were each accused of two counts of doing acts tending and intended to pervert the course of justice.

It was alleged they were involved in a process of amending officers' statements to minimise the blame on South Yorkshire Police following the disaster at the FA Cup semi-final on April 15 1989, in which 96 Liverpool fans died.

https://news.sky.com/story/hillsboro...nswer-12317279
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Hillsborough disaster trial collapses as judge rules no case to answer


The trial of two retired police officers and a solicitor accused of perverting the course of justice following the Hillsborough disaster has collapsed after the judge ruled there was no case to answer.

Retired South Yorkshire Police officers Donald Denton, 83, and Alan Foster, 74, and the force's former solicitor Peter Metcalf, 71, have all been acquitted.

The three men were each accused of two counts of doing acts tending and intended to pervert the course of justice.

It was alleged they were involved in a process of amending officers' statements to minimise the blame on South Yorkshire Police following the disaster at the FA Cup semi-final on April 15 1989, in which 96 Liverpool fans died.

https://news.sky.com/story/hillsboro...nswer-12317279
The old Blue Lives Matter brigade will be happy.
Sad for the families and in fact all of us.
Disgraceful
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Old 27-05-2021, 00:39   #118
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'Disgraceful' that a witch hunt failed ? ok .........
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'Disgraceful' that a witch hunt failed ? ok .........
There was no witch hunt. These men falsified official police records to cover up the gross negligence that led to dozens of deaths. They lied to an official inquiry led by a judge. Those facts are established. The case failed on a very narrow technicality, around the precise definition of ‘perverting the course of justice’ in English law and the way in which the original inquiry was constituted.

It doesn’t become a witch hunt just because those in power got away with it for decades before anyone made a serious attempt to prosecute them.
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There was no witch hunt. These men falsified official police records to cover up the gross negligence that led to dozens of deaths. They lied to an official inquiry led by a judge. Those facts are established. The case failed on a very narrow technicality, around the precise definition of ‘perverting the course of justice’ in English law and the way in which the original inquiry was constituted.

It doesn’t become a witch hunt just because those in power got away with it for decades before anyone made a serious attempt to prosecute them.
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