Coronavirus

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think the vaxs and booster will make the difference from last year - I don’t think anything will change (drastically) before Christmas, because if there is any rise in hospitalisations/deaths due to Omicron, it will take a couple of weeks to get to a noticeable rise (if it happens).

Cases rose a little at the end of November, but look to be falling again atm.
Deaths have been in decline since the start of November, no sign of that altering [yet].
Hospitalisations fell through most of November, with a very slight rise on the last two days.

Deaths and Hospitalisations are a fraction of what they were last January, and also much lower than 12 months ago (and not rising alarmingly as they were then).

Case counts are about the same as 12 months ago and lower than their Jan 2021 peak.
Since mid July they have loosely hovered around the same level, higher some weeks, lower others.
Cases counts alone are not really a major problem (just a weapon for the fear mongers) the majority just shake it off.

The concern would be if serious infections and deaths started to shoot up, there is no indication of that atm.

[DDDD]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

put a tin foil hat on, it will all make sense

Its the original publication from nature .

Tin foil hats not needed , but religion is if you believe in something based on faith . Just read the publication , if you don't understand something you can always ask.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Paul

Cases rose a little at the end of November, but look to be falling again atm.
Deaths have been in decline since the start of November, no sign of that altering [yet].
Hospitalisations fell through most of November, with a very slight rise on the last two days.

Deaths and Hospitalisations are a fraction of what they were last January, and also much lower than 12 months ago (and not rising alarmingly as they were then).

Case counts are about the same as 12 months ago and lower than their Jan 2021 peak.
Since mid July they have loosely hovered around the same level, higher some weeks, lower others.
Cases counts alone are not really a major problem (just a weapon for the fear mongers) the majority just shake it off.

The concern would be if serious infections and deaths started to shoot up, there is no indication of that atm.

That just about sums it up, Paul.

[DDDD]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

At a guess - Covid was invented in a China lab, put into bats that have propensity for SARS-like coronavirus and the bats released into the wild. They were caught and put into the Wuhan wet market .....


Or summat!

Pretty much the opposite , they took some lung fluid , aligned it to a predetermined template bat coronavirus using software called megahit . If you do this with non infected people you will get the same result .

The article debunks itself because with a stricter assembler they didn't find the longer sequences because it didn't exist. Its in the paper

They can claim high abundance in humans to a pig or a banana .

People actually believe they found a spiked protein structure in humans and then sequenced its rna and this is what's found in 'infected people'

Even these claims are not made in the papers .

PCR tests for a fragment of this nucleic acid sequence , not a virus . They also don't check the results of what was amplified in PCR , most people know after 25 cycles it starts creating all sorts of sequences that were not present in the original sample , go to court with forensics and it would be thrown out at more than 12 cycles .

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Originally Posted by Hugh

What it really said





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My wife and I had it as a booster.

methods section , not the claims section .

Its claims 89% similarity , we are 98% similar to a pig , this ain't similar at all .

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

Cases rose a little at the end of November, but look to be falling again atm.
Deaths have been in decline since the start of November, no sign of that altering [yet].
Hospitalisations fell through most of November, with a very slight rise on the last two days.

Deaths and Hospitalisations are a fraction of what they were last January, and also much lower than 12 months ago (and not rising alarmingly as they were then).

Case counts are about the same as 12 months ago and lower than their Jan 2021 peak.
Since mid July they have loosely hovered around the same level, higher some weeks, lower others.
Cases counts alone are not really a major problem (just a weapon for the fear mongers) the majority just shake it off.

The concern would be if serious infections and deaths started to shoot up, there is no indication of that atm.

Cases (by specimen date) are only falling in the last week because that’s what always happens due to processing time, cases by date reported are up almost 10% in the last week vs the previous 7 days.

Even then by specimen date 29 Nov-1 Dec had more cases than any date since mid-July. If there’s something underlying driving that rise it won’t take many 10% weekly rises to push hospitalisations into a bad place and deaths follow.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Anyone got a translation for this?

“Covid deniers live in a basement and have difficulty processing events in the real world”.

Or thereabouts.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by DDDD

Pretty much the opposite , they took some lung fluid , aligned it to a predetermined template bat coronavirus using software called megahit . If you do this with non infected people you will get the same result .

The article debunks itself because with a stricter assembler they didn't find the longer sequences because it didn't exist. Its in the paper

They can claim high abundance in humans to a pig or a banana .

People actually believe they found a spiked protein structure in humans and then sequenced its rna and this is what's found in 'infected people'

Even these claims are not made in the papers .

PCR tests for a fragment of this nucleic acid sequence , not a virus . They also don't check the results of what was amplified in PCR , most people know after 25 cycles it starts creating all sorts of sequences that were not present in the original sample , go to court with forensics and it would be thrown out at more than 12 cycles .

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methods section , not the claims section .

Its claims 89% similarity , we are 98% similar to a pig , this ain't similar at all .

This piqued my curiosity so I pulled the SARS-Cov-2 genome (link) from a genome database and crunched it through some software to see if it aligned with human sequences (BlastN search, a standard search tool for aligning genomes) At first, a got many hits but they were all SARS-COV-2 which at least shows the tool works! I filtered on human DNA and RNA and got, wait for it......

No significant hits

If these guys are pulling genome sequences from lung fluid, it aint human genomic RNA or mRNA.

RT-PCR testing is cycle dependent, that's why quantitative RT-PCR is used so you can see how many cycles are needed to get a signal. It's also why multiple targets are used to compensate for any issues with incorrect results. It's also why negative controls are used for every test plate. RT-PCR isn't perfect but if you have the right controls in place, it is pretty robust

You’re only saying that because you’re trying to "control*" us…

*because you can

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You’re only saying that because you’re trying to "control*" us…

*because you can

Ha ha.

[jfman]

Do the same for RaTG13

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by jfman

Do the same for RaTG13

In a shocking development, there is a 93% identity between SARS-COV-2 and RaTG13 (bat coronavirus) spike proteins. Who would have thought eh?

[Carth]

Bloody hell, can all you scientific lot slow down for those of us that are thick please

Is SARS-COV-2 just a different name for Covid 19? I'm getting lost and a little uninterested in all these fancy acronyms etc

Is there a 'clever' name for Flu and pneumonia?

[Julian]

Apparently the one for a cold is A715H00.....

Originally Posted by Carth

Bloody hell, can all you scientific lot slow down for those of us that are thick please

Is SARS-COV-2 just a different name for Covid 19? I'm getting lost and a little uninterested in all these fancy acronyms etc

Is there a 'clever' name for Flu and pneumonia?

Covid-19 is the name of the disease caused by a coronavirus called SARS-COV-2.

Flu is influenza, which is the name of both the disease and a family of viruses that can cause it.

Pneumonia is an inflammation of the alveoli within the lungs, and can be caused by any number of things getting in them that shouldn’t be there.

[1andrew1]

Interesting Twitter chat between Andrew Neil and Julia Hartley-Brewer. He's coming across in a statesmanlike manner.