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Old 07-07-2022, 08:11   #3226
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Again, you wonder how long the Government can run without Ministers. No 10 haven't been able to fill these positions so the Government can't function.
Abolish half of them and get Lords he appointed to do the other half. Again a staple of a healthy, functioning democracy.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:13   #3227
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

One needs to keep lookout for Royal Standard appearing above Buckingham Palace today, if the Queen is in residence, he’s going.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:15   #3228
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

Beth Rigby alluded to something last night I don’t know what % chance it has of occurring

But if as expected the 1922 changes the rules next week and Johnson loses the vote
Boris could say fine, I’ll quit as leader of the tories but I’m staying on as PM
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:16   #3229
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

BREAKING: Signs of splits even inside No10: one source says parts of Downing Street preparing a resignation statement but not clear the PM would read it and others insist Boris Johnson pressing on - Sam Coates, Sky News.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:17   #3230
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There is no government without government ministers. You stated in an earlier post itís not a constitutional crisis, it absolutely is.

The only mechanism now to rid of this stubborn Prime Minister, is for Parliament itself, Starmer could himself raise a no confidence vote, I reckon there would be two thirds requirement, to oust him, there is still the little issue of him going to Buckingham Palace to resign and naming a successor.
There's more chance of him going to Buckingham Palace and requesting a general election than resigning.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:22   #3231
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Beth Rigby alluded to something last night I donít know what % chance it has of occurring

But if as expected the 1922 changes the rules next week and Johnson loses the vote
Boris could say fine, Iíll quit as leader of the tories but Iím staying on as PM
This is the thing, one has to go to the Queen and willingly to resign and name a successor, but this is a precedent expectation, to traditionally and seamlessly, pass on the transfer of power.

Could we see the Queen, step in and rarely use her authority, something she never wants to do, but has to, weíre in exceptional circumstances.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:27   #3232
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There is no government without government ministers. You stated in an earlier post it’s not a constitutional crisis, it absolutely is.

The only mechanism now to rid of this stubborn Prime Minister, is for Parliament itself, Starmer could himself raise a no confidence vote, I reckon there would be two thirds requirement, to oust him, there is still the little issue of him going to Buckingham Palace to resign and naming a successor.
I still think it's not a constitutional crisis. What parts of it have been tested yet? The notion the PM should go when the men in grey suits tell them to do so may be a Tory Party tradition but behind that tradition is the implication that if they don't do so they'll be booted out anyway. Johnson has decided that rather than go quietly he'll go kicking and screaming.

But in theory, the Tories will have their vote, he loses and he resigns. If he were to ignore the results of that vote and/or try to call an election then it's a constitutional crisis.

This is just weird and a little bit a funny so far.
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:32   #3233
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There's more chance of him going to Buckingham Palace and requesting a general election than resigning.
I wonder if this could be his final throw of the dice, attempt to call a GE hope he gets the huge mandate he had previously

Spitballing, as I donít know is led this is achievable

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I still think it's not a constitutional crisis. What parts of it have been tested yet? The notion the PM should go when the men in grey suits tell them to do so may be a Tory Party tradition but behind that tradition is the implication that if they don't do so they'll be booted out anyway. Johnson has decided that rather than go quietly he'll go kicking and screaming.

But in theory, the Tories will have their vote, he loses and he resigns. If he were to ignore the results of that vote and/or try to call an election then it's a constitutional crisis.

This is just weird and a little bit a funny so far.
Iím not sure the U.K. being an even bigger laughing stock on the world stage can be described as Ďweird and a little bit funnyí

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Ha ! Kay Burley just used Chris’s gag about 2030 being tonight !
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Old 07-07-2022, 08:38   #3234
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I still think it's not a constitutional crisis. What parts of it have been tested yet? The notion the PM should go when the men in grey suits tell them to do so maybe be a Tory Party tradition but behind that tradition is the implication that if they don't do so they'll be booted out anyway. Johnson has decided that rather than go quietly he'll go kicking and screaming.

But in theory, the Tories will have their vote, he loses and he resigns. If he were to ignore the results of that vote and/or try to call an election then it's a constitutional crisis.

This is just weird and a little bit a funny so far.
Yes it is a constitutional crisis, I really donít know how you can say itís not, right now, as of this morning, the process of government grinds to a halt. Nothing practical in these departments can be done, every one of them is in disarray. As he tries to fill them, with new, completely inexperienced people trying to get on. This is not just harming the Tory party, itís harming the entire country, thatís a Constitutional crisis right there.

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"If the prime minister were to seek to cling on... he would be committing the worst of all sins in public life which is to bring Her Majesty into politics and embarrassing Her Majesty the Queen."

Conservative MP @neill_bob tells @AasmahMir "Boris Johnson is acting irrationally".
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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...48112690745344

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Another source in government suggests signs of a PM statement being prepared

But a Tory source cautions figures like Andrew Griffith telling him to cling on and not to listen to other voices
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

2022 Boris Johnson needs to take heed of 2010 Boris Johnson:

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"The whole thing is unbelievable. As I write these words, Gordon Brown is still holed up in Downing Street. He's like some illegal settler in the Sinai desert." Boris Johnson, writing in May 2010.
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https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/sta...50219657330688

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Prime Minister: this is not sustainable and it will only get worse: for you, for the Conservative Party and most importantly of all the country. You must do the right thing and go now.
This is from Nadhim Zahawi!
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I'm wondering just where our monarch is at the moment.
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

BREAKING: New chancellor, Nadhim zawahi, calls on Boris Johnson to resign.

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Prime Minister: this is not sustainable and it will only get worse: for you, for the Conservative Party and most importantly of all the country. You must do the right thing and go now.


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I never thought I’d say this: this is now more Trump than Trump. No, not an insurrection but the fomenting of a constitutional crisis by refusing to accept reality is just the same
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What do you make of it all, Papa? Do you think Johnson will make it to 2023 as PM?
If it was me i would sack the dissenters on mass before they resign , the anti Boris/anti every thing mob in the 1922 want chucking out of the party, i would immediately reinstate the triple lock with back pay, and chuck a brick through Sunaks window.
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