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Old 26-05-2022, 17:58   #2476
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Whoa.

OB has made two postulations:

1. Wait & see what Sue Gray reveals (OB leaned towards his exoneration);
2, What's all the fuss about - a non-criminal FPN?

OB has avoided commenting on Boris' judgement over matters such as the Owen Paterson affair. Hence OB is not criticising Boris for his serious errors of judgement (that the rest of us know about.)

OB wants the PM to get on with what needs to be done. I agree, so long as it's not Boris.
The postulations aren't the issue the endless sycophantic defence of bozo is, seriously get out more, not even Nadine Dorries is that devoted and that's without pointing out if a politician wants to take the steam out of a scandal the best and easiest thing to say is wait for the report or inquiry and hope everyone loses interest in the meantime
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Old 26-05-2022, 18:04   #2477
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God, how many times are you going to repeat the same old guff?

And it was the NHS Chief who ordered the care home patients out of hospital without checks, not Matt Hancock.When he became aware of Simon Stephens’ circular letter, he withdrew that decision.

There was also a worldwide shortage of PPE, and all efforts were made to procure more through as many routes as possible.

Are you working on the basis that if you keep repeating this stuff, people will start believing it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-61227709

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Lord Justice Bean and Mr Justice Garnham found the decisions of the then health secretary to make and maintain a series of policies contained in documents issued on 17 and 19 March and 2 April 2020 were unlawful.
And before you go down the path of "PHE didn’t tell him", here is an article from your newspaper of choice disproving that…

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Mr Hancock, who was replaced by Sajid Javid last year, claimed the High Court ruling had exonerated him and the had been cleared "of any wrongdoing", because PHE "failed to tell ministers what they knew about asymptomatic transmission"...

… However, the risks of asymptomatic transmission had been highlighted by Sir Patrick Vallance, the Government's chief scientific adviser for England, who said it was "quite likely" as early as March 13 2020. Varying levels of risk had been outlined in papers from late January, the ruling said
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Old 26-05-2022, 18:45   #2478
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Andrew is right.



Polls say that 59% of the population want Boris to go - there is insufficient trust. Indeed, anyone can openly see Boris for what he is - a man of poor judgement, insensitive and absolutely insincere in his apology.

All he wants is to remain as PM. Never mind the good calls previously ascribed to him - that goodwill was cashed in long ago. He's a laughing stock in Europe and a national embarrassment.

Is Ukraine part of Europe? I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone in Ukraine to condier him to be a laughing stock or National embarassment.

I agree he will have to go but I don't think the time is now.
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Old 26-05-2022, 18:55   #2479
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Is Ukraine part of Europe? I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone in Ukraine to condier him to be a laughing stock or National embarassment.

I agree he will have to go but I don't think the time is now.
That's a bit of a reach to single out Ukraine. I'll narrow it done to specific nationals who have mocked him (cruelly I would add) to me.

Austrians; Belgians; Danes; French; Germans; Swedes.
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Old 26-05-2022, 19:04   #2480
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That's a bit of a reach to single out Ukraine. I'll narrow it done to specific nationals who have mocked him (cruelly I would add) to me.

Austrians; Belgians; Danes; French; Germans; Swedes.
Yes but it's why I don't think it is the time. He can still be of benefit to Ukraine to push for the supply of the longer range artillery that they are crying out for to go on the offensive.

To me, Ukraine is far more important than partygate.
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Old 26-05-2022, 19:09   #2481
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Andrew is right.



Polls say that 59% of the population want Boris to go - there is insufficient trust. Indeed, anyone can openly see Boris for what he is - a man of poor judgement, insensitive and absolutely insincere in his apology.

All he wants is to remain as PM. Never mind the good calls previously ascribed to him - that goodwill was cashed in long ago. He's a laughing stock in Europe and a national embarrassment.

I don't think the trust will ever be fully rebuilt either. If he has a good few months now the polls will recover a bit and the appetite for him to go will decline within the party but every time his trustworthiness comes up it'll be punching an open wound. He'll never completely shake the image of being a lair.

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Yes but it's why I don't think it is the time. He can still be of benefit to Ukraine to push for the supply of the longer range artillery that they are crying out for to go on the offensive.

To me, Ukraine is far more important than partygate.
You don't need Johnson for that though. The whole British political system is pretty much behind our actions in Ukraine and Ben Wallace has been the lead guy on the issue.
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Old 26-05-2022, 19:18   #2482
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God, how many times are you going to repeat the same old guff?
Thought you were replying to one of your own posts for a minute there!
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Old 26-05-2022, 19:28   #2483
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Thought you were replying to one of your own posts for a minute there!
Fair comment, Grim - I would just point out that I have said the same things over and over because so many of Boris’s detractors are on repeat and just keep regurgitating the same points again and again.

I’m calling it a day on this now as I think these people are obsessed and beyond help and certainly beyond reason.
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Yes but it's why I don't think it is the time. He can still be of benefit to Ukraine to push for the supply of the longer range artillery that they are crying out for to go on the offensive.

To me, Ukraine is far more important than partygate.
Yes - but it doesn't need Boris to support Ukraine.
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Yes but it's why I don't think it is the time. He can still be of benefit to Ukraine to push for the supply of the longer range artillery that they are crying out for to go on the offensive.

To me, Ukraine is far more important than partygate.
We managed to change prime minister during ww2 certainly once,
perhaps twice ? and we of course were directly involved in that
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Exactly. Johnson supporters' last stand is to state he's the only person capable of handling the cost of living crisis and in supporting Ukraine.

There's many Conservative MPs capable of doing this whilst also maintaining the trust of the British public through their words and deeds. Johnson has shown in a couple of years he's not one of them.

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Exactly. Johnson supporters' last stand is to state he's the only person capable of handling the cost of living crisis and in supporting Ukraine.

There's many Conservative MPs capable of doing this whilst also maintaining the trust of the British public through their words and deeds. Johnson has shown in a couple of years he's not one of them.
E.g: John Redwood.
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E.g: John Redwood.
Yes, he's a man of the people for sure

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Interesting analysis HERE regarding Johnson only receiving one fine, by a legal writer for the FT.
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Interesting analysis HERE regarding Johnson only receiving one fine, by a legal writer for the FT.
Great find and a good theory as to why Johnson was only fined once. I'm sure Johnson's not the only leader of a political party capable of invoking such a reason, especially someone familiar with the law.

I've read some of his takes before, always interesting.

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