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Old 17-07-2022, 17:20   #1456
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The same can be asked of channels maintaining a linear presence and streaming, a proposition you so vigorously oppose.



Which cannot be said of linear channels closing. There are clear losers in this scenario, and no winners.
I think you completely misunderstand my position on this (not for the first time!).

I donít oppose maintaining a linear presence. I just donít think it will happen as it doesnít make economic sense, given the alternatives.

It does depend on broadband being completely rolled out first of course, and any U-turns by this or subsequent governments. Abolition of the licence fee in favour of subscriptions cannot happen while broadcast TV over the airways continues to exist.
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I think you completely misunderstand my position on this (not for the first time!).

I donít oppose maintaining a linear presence. I just donít think it will happen as it doesnít make economic sense, given the alternatives.

It does depend on broadband being completely rolled out first of course, and any U-turns by this or subsequent governments. Abolition of the licence fee in favour of subscriptions cannot happen while broadcast TV over the airways continues to exist.
Broadband isn't and never will be as reliable as a tv signal.
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I don’t think I’m misunderstanding your position at all. I’m simply pointing out the inconsistencies within it. A streamer going out their way to create an ad driven service (presumably at additional cost?) = good. A linear channel maintaining a presence - to every television in the land regardless of internet connectivity at low cost = bad/uneconomic.

I’m still yet to see you quantify how much is actually saved in this process. None of the BBC examples count as they each involve a reduction or increase in commissioned content. I’ve always been clear my statements are in relation to maintaining linear in addition to the same content being streamed.

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Broadband isn't and never will be as reliable as a tv signal.
Didnít you hear the Tory leadership candidate that promised full fibre for all by 2025?

Oh yeah he became PM, watered it down to gigabit capable and only 85%, £5bn became £1.2bn in the current spending review. Anyway on the whole he left a lot to be desired and they binned him.
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Old 17-07-2022, 18:05   #1459
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Broadband isn't and never will be as reliable as a tv signal.
That isnít the issue.

By the way, I have never had my TV interrupted by a broadband outage. However, last night we had a power cut. Only 3.5 hours, but it killed my Saturday night.
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That isnít the issue.
How can it not be an issue? Speeds, congestion, outages. All impact on the ability to watch television over broadband.

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By the way, I have never had my TV interrupted by a broadband outage. However, last night we had a power cut. Only 3.5 hours, but it killed my Saturday night.
Well if youíve got Virgin Media the TV service wonít necessarily go with the broadband. Any streamers you watch obviously will.
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I donít think Iím misunderstanding your position at all. Iím simply pointing out the inconsistencies within it. A streamer going out their way to create an ad driven service (presumably at additional cost?) = good. A linear channel maintaining a presence - to every television in the land regardless of internet connectivity at low cost = bad/uneconomic.

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As I said, you misunderstand. The Conservatives have long been sympathetic to the replacement of the licence fee with a subscription method. As long as this preference continues, then it will end up as legislation and the Beeb will be obliged to cease having the licence fee available to fund their operations.

That is my premise. If anything changes, then clearly that would alter my prediction.

So pray tell me, if the government decides to go for the licence fee being abolished in favour of a subscription, how exactly is broadcasting from transmitters remotely possible?

That is your challenge, jfman. Itís not about personal preference or what you believe people want, itís about practicalities.

My prediction is based on what I think will happen, not what I prefer will happen. Personally, as long as everything I want to watch is available to access without having to sit through adverts, I am happy. Others can do as they please.

But everything I predicted in 2015 is coming to pass. Nothing has happened that seriously challenges that prediction. And itís still only 2022.

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How can it not be an issue? Speeds, congestion, outages. All impact on the ability to watch television over broadband.



Well if youíve got Virgin Media the TV service wonít necessarily go with the broadband. Any streamers you watch obviously will.
Iíve never had problems with streamers either. Any more Ďproblemsí you want to invent?
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Old 17-07-2022, 18:29   #1462
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As I said, you misunderstand. The Conservatives have long been sympathetic to the replacement of the licence fee with a subscription method. As long as this preference continues, then it will end up as legislation and the Beeb will be obliged to cease having the licence fee available to fund their operations.

That is my premise. If anything changes, then clearly that would alter my prediction.
Not so much alter your prediction as you be proven wrong.

Iíve been reading licence fee abolition stories since I was in nappies, OB. Thereís nothing substantially changed.

And regardless - even if I accepted the premise which I donít - I still think a commercial player would jump at being in a position to be there when someone presses ď1Ē on their TV.

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So pray tell me, if the government decides to go for the licence fee being abolished in favour of a subscription, how exactly is broadcasting from transmitters remotely possible?


Is that it, broadcast television is only viable with public subsidy?

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That is your challenge, jfman. Itís not about personal preference or what you believe people want, itís about practicalities.
Thereís nothing more practical about being an exclusively streaming service than using that to complement broadcast television. Itís less practical.

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My prediction is based on what I think will happen, not what I prefer will happen. Personally, as long as everything I want to watch is available to access without having to sit through adverts, I am happy. Others can do as they please.

But everything I predicted in 2015 is coming to pass. Nothing has happened that seriously challenges that prediction. And itís still only 2022.

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Iíve never had problems with streamers either. Any more Ďproblemsí you want to invent?
Itís not inventing things to say operators have internet outages. Most of them have a faults page such is the regularity these occur!

The bit in bold is demonstrably untrue by virtue of how frequently you wish to reduce consumer choice, not increase it.
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Broadband isn't and never will be as reliable as a tv signal.
Especially Virgin medias.
I'm with a relatively new company though connection is superb solid 950mbs down ans 950mbs up there was issues with the ip addresses coming up as France instead of UK, they sorted it though.
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Especially Virgin medias.
I'm with a relatively new company though connection is superb solid 950mbs down ans 950mbs up there was issues with the ip addresses coming up as France instead of UK, they sorted it though.
That isn't the case everywhere mate, I've hardly ever had a problem with their BB service.
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As I said, you misunderstand. The Conservatives have long been sympathetic to the replacement of the licence fee with a subscription method. As long as this preference continues, then it will end up as legislation and the Beeb will be obliged to cease having the licence fee available to fund their operations.

That is my premise. If anything changes, then clearly that would alter my prediction.

So pray tell me, if the government decides to go for the licence fee being abolished in favour of a subscription, how exactly is broadcasting from transmitters remotely possible?

That is your challenge, jfman. It’s not about personal preference or what you believe people want, it’s about practicalities.

My prediction is based on what I think will happen, not what I prefer will happen. Personally, as long as everything I want to watch is available to access without having to sit through adverts, I am happy. Others can do as they please.

But everything I predicted in 2015 is coming to pass. Nothing has happened that seriously challenges that prediction. And it’s still only 2022.

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I’ve never had problems with streamers either. Any more ‘problems’ you want to invent?
Some Conservatives…

Others are sympathetic to keeping the licence fee.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51530752

That post reflects the tone of a lot of your posts - all or nothing, sweeping statements/opinions posted as facts, and no/little supporting evidence, often distorting/misrepresenting things - are you Nadine Dorries?
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Not so much alter your prediction as you be proven wrong.

Iíve been reading licence fee abolition stories since I was in nappies, OB. Thereís nothing substantially changed.

And regardless - even if I accepted the premise which I donít - I still think a commercial player would jump at being in a position to be there when someone presses ď1Ē on their TV.

I have not been Ďproven wrongí, jfman. We are nowhere near 2035 yet but I recognise that time is a concept that you have difficulty grasping.

I donít see the point in your reference to a Ďcommercial playerí. If the government decides to use the existing TV bandwidth for something else, there wonít be such a choice.

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Itís not inventing things to say operators have internet outages. Most of them have a faults page such is the regularity these occur!

The bit in bold is demonstrably untrue by virtue of how frequently you wish to reduce consumer choice, not increase it.
I have not denied that internet outages occur. Pretty infrequently in my experience. As I said, power outages occur too.

The bit in bold is, in fact, true, whether you care to believe it or not. Itís a prediction, not a desire on my part.

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Some ConservativesÖ

Others are sympathetic to keeping the licence fee.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51530752

That post reflects the tone of a lot of your posts - all or nothing, sweeping statements/opinions posted as facts, and no/little supporting evidence, often distorting/misrepresenting things - are you Nadine Dorries?
Itís just my prediction, Hugh. Other views are available.
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I have not been Ďproven wrongí, jfman. We are nowhere near 2035 yet but I recognise that time is a concept that you have difficulty grasping.

I donít see the point in your reference to a Ďcommercial playerí. If the government decides to use the existing TV bandwidth for something else, there wonít be such a choice.

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I have not denied that internet outages occur. Pretty infrequently in my experience. As I said, power outages occur too.

The bit in bold is, in fact, true, whether you care to believe it or not. Itís a prediction, not a desire on my part.

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That isn't the case everywhere mate, I've hardly ever had a problem with their BB service.
Yeah tbf to VM my old flat i didn't have issues with their broadband just their prices, but this flat funny thing is vm is in the houses either side but not in the block, it's only 5 flats so would have been a relatively easy job.
Thankfully City fibre laid their cabling down last year and last month providers started installing, got a decent deal with Digital home £35p/m for 900mbs up and down although i'm averaging 845mbs both ways and that's for 24 months with a no price rise promise during the contract.
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I have not been Ďproven wrongí, jfman. We are nowhere near 2035 yet but I recognise that time is a concept that you have difficulty grasping.
No more difficulty than that you have recognising the point I actually made. If you make a prediction and it doesnít happen you donít alter your prediction - itís just wrong.

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So now we are conflating two issues - the licence fee and digital terrestrial television. Neither of which would necessarily end linear.
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Pretty sure statements using the words "have long been sympathetic" isnít a prediction - predictions would use the future tenseÖ
Iím really not sure what you are getting at. If there is a long held view held by an influential group of people, that can influence the future. To express a view on how that may come about is a prediction.
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