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[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Done deliberately. The number of VOD viewers is increasing all the time, as more recent articles have been confirming. This was not even disputed 4 years ago, that’s why I advised him to keep up.

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Er - it’s 2022, jfman. Nearly there, be patient. You do have this habit of confusing the present with the future…

On the contrary, OB. If you are citing a source as evidence of something, it has to be evidence now. That aggregates all viewing. Andrew - very specifically - says

100% OD

From your source it doesn’t differentiate - on demand viewing could be evenly distributed across the whole user base, or a small proportion could be 100% offset by those who watch 0%. It’s no evidence at all to contradict Andrew.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

On the contrary, OB. If you are citing a source as evidence of something, it has to be evidence now. That aggregates all viewing. Andrew - very specifically - says



From your source it doesn’t differentiate - on demand viewing could be evenly distributed across the whole user base, or a small proportion could be 100% offset by those who watch 0%. It’s no evidence at all to contradict Andrew.

The evidence is out there if you look for it, and even older people are embracing VOD now.

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20220403...#axzz7TiFKXgxA

If the future wasn't VOD, then why are the TV channels encouraging people to view that way? As you will have seen, the new ITVX platform will be screening original dramas well before they put them on their scheduled terrestrial channels. Viewing a whole series from release on demand is now commonplace - even the BBC and Sky do it.

All the broadcasters are pushing their audiences in the direction of VOD, and they are doing that for a reason.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The evidence is out there if you look for it, and even older people are embracing VOD now.

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20220403...#axzz7TiFKXgxA

If the future wasn't VOD, then why are the TV channels encouraging people to view that way? As you will have seen, the new ITVX platform will be screening original dramas well before they put them on their scheduled terrestrial channels. Viewing a whole series from release on demand is now commonplace - even the BBC and Sky do it.

All the broadcasters are pushing their audiences in the direction of VOD, and they are doing that for a reason.

OB quote the line that refers to the proportion of viewers who exclusively watch on demand content.

I'm not sure why you are asking me to contest that on demand viewership is rising? I've never contested that point only your absolute assertion that it will inevitably reach 100% and specifically by 2035.

There's many reasons for a broadcaster to push streaming. Principally to sell consumer data probably, analytics about who is watching and when. However that doesn't necessarily mean they will do so at the absolute expense of linear - as you point out the same content will make it to the terrestrial service. They're technologically agnostic, OB. You are foolish to pretend otherwise.

[SnoopZ]

You 2 should get a room.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

OB quote the line that refers to the proportion of viewers who exclusively watch on demand content.

I'm not sure why you are asking me to contest that on demand viewership is rising? I've never contested that point only your absolute assertion that it will inevitably reach 100% and specifically by 2035.

There's many reasons for a broadcaster to push streaming. Principally to sell consumer data probably, analytics about who is watching and when. However that doesn't necessarily mean they will do so at the absolute expense of linear - as you point out the same content will make it to the terrestrial service. They're technologically agnostic, OB. You are foolish to pretend otherwise.

OK, fine. But I never claimed that a huge proportion viewed VOD only at the present time. Even I don’t do that because a (relatively low) proportion of my viewing is now accessed via recordings.

However it will happen in the future because the broadcast channels will close down, so you won’t be able to access content any other way. It’s not solely about individual viewer choice - it’s all about the way the majority are going, and the content providers will follow that lead.

[jfman]

It’s entirely about individual viewer choice.

You are predicting a future that requires either a chicken or an egg, with neither the viewer arbitrarily shunning one method over the other or rational capitalists willing to cannibalise their revenue streams for similarly arbitrary reasons willing to be either.

[OLD BOY]

We will never agree on this, jfman. Can’t wait for 2035!

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Viaplay is coming to the UK later this year.

https://advanced-television.com/2022...viaplay-group/

[jfman]

We won’t agree - that doesn’t exempt you from challenge when presenting opinion as fact. Or mean I won’t chime in from time to time to point out that your view isn’t grounded in the reality of expectations for broadcasters, broadcast infrastructure owners or internet service providers around the globe.

[Legendkiller2k]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We will never agree on this, jfman. Can’t wait for 2035!

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Viaplay is coming to the UK later this year.

https://advanced-television.com/2022...viaplay-group/

But come 2035 you'll say "oh it's going to be 2055" and shift the goal posts again.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k

But come 2035 you'll say "oh it's going to be 2055" and shift the goal posts again.

You're being unfair, Legendkiller2k. I feel the need to stick up for Old Boy here. He has never moved the goal by 20 years at a time before, just a minor and understandable tweak of ten years from 2025 to 2035.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We will never agree on this, jfman. Can’t wait for 2035!

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Viaplay is coming to the UK later this year.

https://advanced-television.com/2022...viaplay-group/

Actually we don’t even need to wait 5 years. The current BBC charter expires at the end of 2027. We will know what the new one will look like months in advance, and we will know from parliamentary debate what the general shape of it will be perhaps a year before that.

If the new BBC charter defines public service broadcasting as encompassing the use of linear schedules, then we know the BBC will be broadcasting until 2037 at least. And if it does, then the other PSBs will too. As will smaller commercial operators who will benefit from the stable ecosystem that is one of the benefits of a publicly funded BBC.

I don’t for a moment expect you will ever admit you were wrong, under any circumstances. You’ll simply shift the goalposts, or find some other reason for us to keep on waiting for your vision of utopia to materialise. But for most of us, we can be pretty confident that in no more than about 4 years from now, we will know for sure that we were right to criticise your predictions.

[OLD BOY]

I’m not shifting any goalposts and I’m not presenting this as fact. I’ve said on many occasions that this is simply what I think will happen.

It’s you guys that keep twisting things to make things sound different from what I have actually said.

Either I’m right or wrong about 2035 - nobody can be certain about the future. But I bet when all’s said and done I won’t be very far off, given that I have held this view since 2015.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You're being unfair, Legendkiller2k. I feel the need to stick up for Old Boy here. He has never moved the goal by 20 years at a time before, just a minor and understandable tweak of ten years from 2025 to 2035.

Muddying the waters yet again, Andrew.

[jfman]

By won’t be far off relative to 2015 does that mean you are claiming up to 2055?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

By won’t be far off relative to 2015 does that mean you are claiming up to 2055?

Christ, you never give up, do you? Over and out.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Muddying the waters yet again, Andrew.

I was sticking up for you, OB.