Britain outside the EU

The risk is normally low handling cash, but in a shop the risk rises, as you could be handling cash from hundreds of people a day, which would increase the risk.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56262527

The EU looks likely to be taking legal action:

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator has said that legal action is imminent over the UK's move to unilaterally extend grace periods on Irish Sea border checks. Maroš Šefčovič told the Financial Times that "infringement proceedings" are being prepared. He said: "We are currently preparing it and it would be really something coming to our table very soon."

The EU has two legal avenues open to it under the Brexit deals. Under the NI part of the Brexit deal, the Protocol, it can launch infringement proceedings which could lead to a case at the European Court of Justice
It took this action at the time when the UK threatened to breach the NI deal through the Internal Market Bill. In that case the legal proceedings were overtaken by political agreement. The EU could also seek arbitration under the terms of the wider EU-UK trade deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56285874

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The EU looks likely to be taking legal action:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56285874

... the crunch is that the ECJ has jurisdiction and the UK is bound by its decision and is responsible for the decision's implementation.

It'll get serious.
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[Hom3r]

I can't find the actual figures posted here, but here goes

I believe someone said our exports to the EU had dropped by 70% and imports had dropped 30%.

But that dosen't really meany anything does it. I if we export £500,000,000 and they import £2,000,000,000. surely there loss is bigger than ours

[1andrew1]

The statement from Ireland's Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney that the EU is: “negotiating with a partner it simply can’t trust” [BoJo's Government] is bad news for the UK. He's a very measured individual.

The Irish have been the least hawkish towards the UK of any EU 27 country. If Frost and BoJo have brought Dublin to this point, then the EU will only take a stronger approach with the UK.

The influence of the Irish on the US should not be underestimated either. The Democrats view the Good Friday Agreement as a great foreign policy achievement and will defend it robustly. And now Ireland is reaching out to the US.

The Government is to seek an urgent meeting with the Friends of Ireland Group in the US Congress about London’s move.

It was agreed at a meeting of the Cabinet’s Brexit subcommittee on Thursday that Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney would reach out to the influential bipartisan group on the issue.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...rise-1.4501676

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I can't find the actual figures posted here, but here goes

I believe someone said our exports to the EU had dropped by 70% and imports had dropped 30%.

But that dosen't really meany anything does it. I if we export £500,000,000 and they import £2,000,000,000. surely there loss is bigger than ours

2019 figures

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-7851/

The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports).

UK -70% of £294 billion = £206 billion drop
EU - 30% of £374 billion - £112 billion drop

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The statement from Ireland's Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney that the EU is: “negotiating with a partner it simply can’t trust” [BoJo's Government] is bad news for the UK. He's a very measured individual.

The Irish have been the least hawkish towards the UK of any EU 27 country. If Frost and BoJo have brought Dublin to this point, then the EU will only take a stronger approach with the UK.

The influence of the Irish on the US should not be underestimated either. The Democrats view the Good Friday Agreement as a great foreign policy achievement and will defend it robustly. And now Ireland is reaching out to the US.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...rise-1.4501676

Specifically on the highlighted piece, remember the perfidious Varadkar? They were as hawkish as anybody, indeed more so because big brother was backing them.

Yeah ... 'least hawkish' is absolute BS Andrew. Leo Varadkar was absolutely unyielding on Irish border issues throughout the Brexit negotiations. He enthusiastically gave the EU the moral fig leaf it needed to try to use the process to give the UK a punishment beating for daring to leave.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Specifically on the highlighted piece, remember the perfidious Varadkar? They were as hawkish as anybody, indeed more so because big brother was backing them.

On the recent situation when the EU threatened to invoke Article 16, it was Ireland who told them not to.
If the EU and US are backing Ireland, who's backing the UK?

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Originally Posted by Chris

Yeah ... 'least hawkish' is absolute BS Andrew. Leo Varadkar was absolutely unyielding on Irish border issues throughout the Brexit negotiations. He enthusiastically gave the EU the moral fig leaf it needed to try to use the process to give the UK a punishment beating for daring to leave.

Really?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

On the recent situation when the EU threatened to invoke Article 16, it was Ireland who told them not to.
If the EU and US are backing Ireland, who's backing the UK?

---------- Post added at 14:15 ---------- Previous post was at 14:12 ----------


Really?

Not you, that's self evident.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

On the recent situation when the EU threatened to invoke Article 16, it was Ireland who told them not to.
If the EU and US are backing Ireland, who's backing the UK?
<SNIP>

Ireland would not have done that out of sympathy with the UK.
So their past record confirms, and Coveney was right up there with Varadkar.

As ever, nobody who can help is backing the UK. We need to show we can stick up for ourselves. A pity we have to trust this to the politicians!

[Carth]

I don't see what all the fuss is about

Does Ireland want to trade with the UK? YES/NO
Does Ireland want a hard border with the UK? YES/NO

Depending on the answers, the EU needs to get its finger out

[Sephiroth]

As I've said months ago, the Irish government are the EU's running dogs.

Strangely enough, that’s what Mao Zedong use to call the U.K. (in the context of our relationship with the USA).

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Strangely enough, that’s what Mao Zedong use to call the U.K. (in the context of our relationship with the USA).

I see you get my point.