06-01-2021, 16:33
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Re: Coronavirus
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I'm not sure that's justification.
A lot of the restrictions are of guidance as opposed to law (country dependent) but the public are expected to follow. them. Ergo, it's a bit rich asking and expecting the public to follow when you have politicians, 'celebrities' * sports people openly flaunting......
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He is covered by “reasonable excuse”.
He has travelled 15 miles to go to a Latin mass. For Muslims or Jews who find that their nearest synagogue or mosque was a similar distance away but across a local authority boundary nobody would bat an eye.
If religious services were closed where he was and he travelled regardless it may be considered “unreasonable”.
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06-01-2021, 16:43
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Re: Coronavirus
My dad (77) just had the message to book his Covid-19 jab which we have done.
My only question I live with him so am I at risk when he gets the jab?
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06-01-2021, 16:46
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
He is covered by “reasonable excuse”.
He has travelled 15 miles to go to a Latin mass. For Muslims or Jews who find that their nearest synagogue or mosque was a similar distance away but across a local authority boundary nobody would bat an eye.
If religious services were closed where he was and he travelled regardless it may be considered “unreasonable”.
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Tier 3 > Tier 4 and back again? i suspect the tabloids would be up in arms'
The papers were calling people worse than crap for leaving London before Tier 4 came in..... there was no legal restrictions, nor guidance in place at the time.
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My dad (77) just had the message to book his Covid-19 jab which we have done.
My only question I live with him so am I at risk when he gets the jab?
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You're perfectly safe.
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06-01-2021, 16:56
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Tier 3 > Tier 4 and back again? i suspect the tabloids would be up in arms'
The papers were calling people worse than crap for leaving London before Tier 4 came in..... there was no legal restrictions, nor guidance in place at the time.
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You're perfectly safe.
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We shouldn’t need to govern at the whim of tabloids.
If you think one man and his family going to a religious service closest to his home are equivalent to the idiots who fled London (many on public transport) to escape restrictions then I can’t reason with you.
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06-01-2021, 17:20
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
We shouldn’t need to govern at the whim of tabloids.
If you think one man and his family going to a religious service closest to his home are equivalent to the idiots who fled London (many on public transport) to escape restrictions then I can’t reason with you.
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And if you can’t see the actions of high profile individuals set precedents and influence others then I can’t reason with you.
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06-01-2021, 17:26
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Re: Coronavirus
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And if you can’t see the actions of high profile individuals set precedents and influence others then I can’t reason with you.
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I doubt Rees-Mogg is going to cause a substantial increase in the number of people attending Roman Catholic Mass in Latin, although I’d personally welcome it.
What’s actually important here is for the media to report it to responsibly. Or in fact, not report it at all because on balance he is likely to have a “reasonable excuse”.
To portray otherwise for political reasons, I agree, could have a risk of undermining public confidence in the restrictions.
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06-01-2021, 17:28
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
I doubt Rees-Mogg is going to cause a substantial increase in the number of people attending Roman Catholic Mass in Latin, although I’d personally welcome it.
What’s actually important here is for the media to report it to responsibly. Or in fact, not report it at all because on balance he is likely to have a “reasonable excuse”.
To portray otherwise for political reasons, I agree, could have a risk of undermining public confidence in the restrictions.
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No, but would you admit that it may cause people to go ‘well, if they can break the guidance..... one rule for some... etc’
Boris & Matty keep on saying ‘we’re all in this together’ so, are we ?
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06-01-2021, 17:32
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Re: Coronavirus
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No, but would you admit that it may cause people to go ‘well, if they can break the guidance..... one rule for some... etc’
Boris & Matty keep on saying ‘we’re all in this together’ so, are we ?
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It’s not, and has never been, against any guidance or legislation to cross from one area to another if you have a reasonable excuse. There is a non-exhaustive list that comes with the guidance, however that’s the point. It doesn’t cover every scenario - it’s asking people to be responsible.
If people can’t act responsibly with use of the word “reasonable” then that’s not Mogg’s fault. The suggestion he couldn’t travel 15 miles to his regular parish but could travel say 60 miles or more (I’m not familiar with where does Latin in his area) within Tier 4 is patently unreasonable.
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06-01-2021, 17:47
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
It’s not, and has never been, against any guidance or legislation to cross from one area to another if you have a reasonable excuse. There is a non-exhaustive list that comes with the guidance, however that’s the point. It doesn’t cover every scenario - it’s asking people to be responsible.
If people can’t act responsibly with use of the word “reasonable” then that’s not Mogg’s fault. The suggestion he couldn’t travel 15 miles to his regular parish but could travel say 60 miles or more (I’m not familiar with where does Latin in his area) within Tier 4 is patently unreasonable.
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So lead by example doth butter no parsnips then.
Whilst yes you’re right it is his right I can’t help but think sections of the public will use it to argue....
It’s a greater good situation
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06-01-2021, 22:43
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Re: Coronavirus
Its also called guidence for a reason, its not the law.
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07-01-2021, 10:10
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Re: Coronavirus
BREAKING: World Health Organisation Europe calls for intensified measures over 'alarming' virus variant
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07-01-2021, 16:41
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Re: Coronavirus
BREAKING: #BREAKING France says two clusters of UK Covid strain detected Source: AFP News Agency.
UK reports another 1,162 Covid-19 deaths in a day.
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07-01-2021, 16:56
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Re: Coronavirus
Vaccine now being rolled out to Doctor's surgeries.
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07-01-2021, 17:08
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Re: Coronavirus
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07-01-2021, 17:14
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Re: Coronavirus
At time of writing, as many as 50% of the forum may be tinfoil hat wearing, anti-vax lunatics. Heaven help us.
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