06-01-2021, 12:31
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#2626
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Re: Coronavirus
Here's the full list:
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Quote from BBC News:
The checklist to become an NHS vaccinator:
Recognising and managing anaphylaxis
Resuscitation, level 2
Safeguarding adults, level 2
Safeguarding children, level 2
Vaccine administration
Vaccine storage
Health, Safety and Welfare, level 1
Infection Prevention and control, level 2
Introduction to Anaphylaxis
Legal aspects of vaccination
Moving and Handling, level 1
Preventing radicalisation, level 1
Conflict resolution, level 1
Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators
Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine)
Data security awareness, level 1
Equality, Diversity and Human rights, level 1
Fire safety, level 1
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Obviously the medical stuff is important but fire safety?
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06-01-2021, 12:33
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#2627
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Re: Coronavirus
Here's a good article on which countries have responded best to the pandemic. Only two are in Asia.
Crushing the curve: New Zealand
Best early action: Taiwan
Best testing: South Korea
Public communication: Finland
Economic protection: Denmark
Best vaccination: Israel
https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status...153536/photo/1
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06-01-2021, 12:59
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
Here's the full list:
Obviously the medical stuff is important but fire safety?
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Bit different from schooldays then it was
1 sleeve up
2 shut up
3 get out
Next
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06-01-2021, 13:09
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
Here's the full list:
Obviously the medical stuff is important but fire safety?
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anything other than medical training is totally superfluous
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06-01-2021, 13:21
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
You can't be "a month late" approving a process simply because other authorities covering other areas approved it sooner - potentially with a different threshold for authorisation.
France are clear making a hash of it but that doesn't make us "successful" and the more we spend looking down on them the longer our government get away with not taking up to the (I think) 2.34 million a week Boris needs for his latest bombastic target.
Unless of course those pesky Civil Servants are at it again...
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There can be quite big differences in the approval processes for drugs in different countries (and blocs of countries)
For example, the FDA (USA) assesses the efficacy and safety of a drug alongside the permitted prescribing information (who can have the drug, what conditions mean you can't and how the drug should be administered as examples) The EMA in contrast has a stepwise process where safety and efficacy are assessed first, then the marketing information. In another example, the EMA look for and do a lot more risk assessments than the FDA ('based on the known science and what limited trial information we have, is this drug safe for patients with disease x, y or z')
The EMA uses local country assessors for drugs alongside their central assessors to ensure that their decisions are compatible with local regulations and guidelines. This of course will slow approval but the advantage is there is a single market for drugs so they can be targeted to the regions of greatest need (if you like that kind of thing) With the MHRA, this 'cross-approval' wasn't needed, hence the faster approval.
There are moves to create a global standard of drug approval so the information package the pharma companies need to provide is constant ( https://www.ich.org/) but this has been going on for years with only limited success
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06-01-2021, 13:52
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#2631
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Architect of Ideas
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Now now, you little stirrer.
As you we were ahead as we had a rolling assessment and approval process, nothing to do with any lesser thresholds......
However, success should be celebrated, because we both know if the shoe was on the other foot oooooh, the headlines, the failure, Brexit, the incompetence.......
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Were we ahead though? As far as I can tell ours is for emergency use and could be withdrawn at any time. The European authorisation appears more comprehensive to me as it doesn't appear to describe it as emergency use. I think for example our 'emergency use' exempts manufacturers from liability - I'm not sure that's the case for the EU authorisation.
I'm sure neither you nor I know the detailed process of going through authorisation - therefore it's an assumption to believe our process is better because it's British - I know it's the default position for many on the forum but I tend to take a more cynical view.
Success should indeed be celebrated, however token administrative processes aren't my benchmark unfortunately. Getting to 2 million vaccinated a week in timely fashion, I'm sure you would agree, would be success.
Last edited by jfman; 06-01-2021 at 14:18.
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06-01-2021, 14:01
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#2632
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
anything other than medical training is totally superfluous
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I quite agree, however the nature of some people to make a claim for anything nowadays has given rise to this ridiculous situation where all bases need to be covered by being 'trained' in some really obscure and often unrelated areas.
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06-01-2021, 16:05
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
Were we ahead though? As far as I can tell ours is for emergency use and could be withdrawn at any time. The European authorisation appears more comprehensive to me as it doesn't appear to describe it as emergency use. I think for example our 'emergency use' exempts manufacturers from liability - I'm not sure that's the case for the EU authorisation.
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A lot of countries' governments take on the liability for vaccine injury. In the UK, the Vaccine Damage Scheme in includes;
- coronavirus (COVID-19)
- diphtheria
- haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
- human papillomavirus
- influenza, except for influenza caused by a pandemic influenza virus
- measles
- meningococcal group B (meningitis B)
- meningococcal group C (meningitis C)
- meningococcal group W (meningitis W)
- mumps
- pandemic influenza A (H1N1) 2009 (swine flu) - up to 31 August 2010
- pertussis (whooping cough)
- pneumococcal infection
- poliomyelitis
- rotavirus
- rubella (German measles)
- smallpox - up to 1 August 1971
- tetanus
- tuberculosis (TB)
It kind of makes sense that Governments take on the liability as vaccines are a public health issue, giving drugs to those who are well with a risk of making the patient sick rather than the more common other way round. It's a particularly good idea in countries where immunisation is compulsory
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06-01-2021, 16:06
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
Here's the full list:
Obviously the medical stuff is important but fire safety?
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About to change.
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Speaking on the Today programme on 4 January, Matt Hancock said that he would remove some of the requirements, including preventing radicalisation training. “At the moment the NHS has all the people that it needs to deliver the vaccine on the current schedule, but is also hiring people, including some retired clinicians, in order to have yet more when the delivery ramps up in the months ahead,” he said. “Some of the training that has been put in place I don’t think is necessary.”
Hancock said he would go through the training requirements for vaccinators “line by line” to check that only what was necessary was included “because training for this role is very important—this is an important, sensitive job—but is not gold plated.”
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https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n13
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06-01-2021, 16:13
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
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If you’re going to follow Rome you might as well do it right.
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06-01-2021, 16:14
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
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I dont think he broke any laws, just guidence.
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06-01-2021, 16:14
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jonbxx
A lot of countries' governments take on the liability for vaccine injury. In the UK, the Vaccine Damage Scheme in includes
It kind of makes sense that Governments take on the liability as vaccines are a public health issue, giving drugs to those who are well with a risk of making the patient sick rather than the more common other way round. It's a particularly good idea in countries where immunisation is compulsory
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I’m simply pointing out the authorisations aren’t necessarily equivalent.
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06-01-2021, 17:19
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#2639
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Bit different from schooldays then it was
1 sleeve up
2 shut up
3 get out
Next
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... and "Cough". I'm back, btw.
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06-01-2021, 17:32
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Paul
I dont think he broke any laws, just guidence.
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I'm not sure that's justification.
A lot of the restrictions are of guidance as opposed to law (country dependent) but the public are expected to follow. them. Ergo, it's a bit rich asking and expecting the public to follow when you have politicians, 'celebrities' * sports people openly flaunting......
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62,322 cases
1,041 deaths (within 28 days of a positive test)
>30,000 people in hospital
Those figures make for very unpleasant reading
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