29-12-2020, 09:35
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Re: Coronavirus
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Glad to see “seasonal flu” has decided to piss off for some reason? Just not bothering this year.
Lazy.
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One can only die of covid19 this year ,staying in and wearing a piece of paper over your mouth has cured all manor of illness that have baffled medical science , all hail paper and loneliness.
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29-12-2020, 10:55
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
One can only die of covid19 this year ,staying in and wearing a piece of paper over your mouth has cured all manor of illness that have baffled medical science , all hail paper and loneliness.
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You're not one for letting facts getting in the way of your opinion, are you? 
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...s/november2020
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29-12-2020, 11:05
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
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That is very interesting.
Almost without exception, every other cause of death has fallen.
That is pretty much unbelievable - unless deaths are being incorrectly attributed to Covid rather than underlying health problems...... 
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29-12-2020, 11:36
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Julian
That is very interesting.
Almost without exception, every other cause of death has fallen.
That is pretty much unbelievable - unless deaths are being incorrectly attributed to Covid rather than underlying health problems...... |
It’s not unbelievable in the slightest. It is known that mortality from Covid increases with age. It is also known that it kills far more rapidly than any of the other diseases listed in the graph, with the possible exception of flu. This year, Covid has been killing off significant numbers of sick, old people who might otherwise have lived for some months before dying of something else.
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29-12-2020, 11:48
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Remoaner
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Re: Coronavirus
It's called Harvesting or Mortality Displacement IIRC. Where COVID 'brings deaths forward' by a few months.
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29-12-2020, 14:09
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Re: Coronavirus
Well if these spikes don't go back down we are probably dealing with more infectious strain and we will be stuck like this until spring.
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29-12-2020, 14:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Julian
That is very interesting.
Almost without exception, every other cause of death has fallen.
That is pretty much unbelievable - unless deaths are being incorrectly attributed to Covid rather than underlying health problems...... |
I predict that based on those figures in five years we will be immortal, as long as we have a yearly covid jab.
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29-12-2020, 14:55
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Re: Coronavirus
https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.u...rus-the-spike/
This article explains how the spike works. Very interesting.
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29-12-2020, 15:46
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Re: Coronavirus
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That is pretty much unbelievable - unless deaths are being incorrectly attributed to Covid rather than underlying health problems...... |
Nope, as noted, most people dying from covid have 'underlying' health conditions as well, its simply that covid is getting them first, rather then the underlying condition.
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29-12-2020, 16:11
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Re: Coronavirus
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Great article, thank you! It will be interesting to see how these new spike mutations work at the structural level and this article gives a nice background.
I have looking in vain to find either the amino acid sequence or structure of the spike produced in cells from the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccines to see how they compare with the native spike from virus without success. Guess it’s a secret!
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29-12-2020, 16:25
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Paul
Nope, as noted, most people dying from covid have 'underlying' health conditions as well, its simply that covid is getting them first, rather then the underlying condition.
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Everyone has to die at some stage, so if someone didn't die from Covid they will die from something else, underlying condition or no underlying condition.
In which circumstances won't you accept Covid 19 as the cause?
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29-12-2020, 16:31
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Everyone has to die at some stage, so if someone didn't die from Covid they will die from something else, underlying condition or no underlying condition.
In which circumstances won't you accept Covid 19 as the cause?
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Maybe you need to go back and read it all again, as the question makes no sense.
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29-12-2020, 17:01
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Re: Coronavirus
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29-12-2020, 17:13
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Remoaner
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Re: Coronavirus
Huge increase today: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...orded-12174911
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The UK has reported another 53,135 cases of coronavirus, the highest recorded daily total since the pandemic began.
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29-12-2020, 17:22
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Re: Coronavirus
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The only way I can see that the NHS won’t collapse under the pressure, and to get the level of infections down is for there to be a total national lockdown, schools shut, all non essential retail, churches & sport the whole works, a curfew may well be needed as well
If we don’t we could be seeing 100,000 cases in approx three/four weeks time.
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