Coronavirus

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

Money.

If you wanted to sell say, 90,000 tickets to an Anthony Joshua fight at Wembley you wouldn't need to maintain distancing if you only sold tickets to those who had been vaccinated. The aggregate of all the sectors you could fully reopen - to those vaccinated only - and economic impact on their supply chains is huge.

No passport and everyone is left applying the precautionary principle, restrictions, distancing, etc.

Hence all the memes of people piling out of nightclubs with their walking frames and sticks.

The point of vaccination is not to eradicate, but to control.

We have not eradicated flu, or measles, or many others, they still exist, but we dont have lockdowns and masks/distancing etc every year becasue of them.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Paul

The point of vaccination is not to eradicate, but to control.

We have not eradicated flu, or measles, or many others, they still exist, but we dont have lockdowns and masks/distancing etc every year becasue of them.

Very good point.

[heero_yuy]

Even if we were to eliminate it in humans, there's the reservoir in wildlife especially bats, where it is reputed to have originated. Along with an uncountable number of other viri that could jump species.

[1andrew1]

What goes around, comes around

Kay Burley will now have to go into quarantine after returning to the UK from South Africa just days ago.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/new...?ocid=msedgntp

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Carth

How long did it take to eradicate smallpox . . . or to fully develop the working vaccine?

It kept popping up in remote locations that hadn't been vaccinated. Teams of people were then sent out those areas to vaccinate the local population.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jfman

But they're all vaccinated. So who do they pass it on to within the venue who is at risk?

You are right that distancing, masks, etc will remain important within the wider population and in general but there will be overwhelming pressure from many sectors of the economy to develop environments these aren't necessary for those vaccinated.

Well, they could still pass it on to each other (albeit that they probably won't get too seriously ill from it). These extra infections could then be passed onto the wider population as you say.

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Originally Posted by Paul

The point of vaccination is not to eradicate, but to control.

We have not eradicated flu, or measles, or many others, they still exist, but we dont have lockdowns and masks/distancing etc every year becasue of them.

It must surely be hoped that eradication is the end result though.

One thing that seems to be different between the two is that flu must come in seasons or at certain times of the year, hence why we have flu vaccinations at a certain time of the year.

Covid doesn't look to be doing this.

[nomadking]

I think flu does appear all year round. The flu vaccine is based upon the ones going around for several months beforehand. That is how they try and guess which one(s) is going to flare up and cause a bigger problem.
Cases of Measles flare up because of those that haven't been vaccinated for one reason or another(eg too young).
Link

In 2017 the World Health Organization declared that the UK had eliminated measles. However, that elimination status has not been maintained.
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Measles remains endemic in many countries around the world and there are currently several large outbreaks in countries across Europe where MMR vaccine uptake has been low. Until measles elimination is achieved globally we will continue to see importations of the measles virus to the UK and in order to limit spread within the UK, it is important to maintain high coverage of two doses of the MMR vaccine in the population.
Cases of measles occur in communities where vaccine uptake is sub-optimal.
Young, unvaccinated adults who have missed out on childhood MMR vaccination are also susceptible.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Carth

How long did it take to eradicate smallpox . . . or to fully develop the working vaccine?

Smallpox vaccination has a long, long history but the modern idea of smallpox vaccination started wit Edward Jenner who noticed that milkmaids didn't get smallpox. That seemed to be because they were exposed to cows that get Cowpox. He took Cowpox extracts and inoculated volunteers who didn't subsequently get Smallpox. This was in the early 1770s.

Fun fact interlude - the word 'vaccination' has a root 'vacca' which means 'cow'. Cowpox - Variola vacca is where the word vaccination comes from.

The vaccine went through many stages of development and improvement over the years but the WHO embarked on the Smallpox eradication program in 1972 where outbreaks were isolated and everyone close to the outbreaks were vaccinated. The disease was decalred eradicated in 1979.

The only stocks of Smallpox exist in defence labs in the US and Russia. However, the DNA sequence is public so anyone in principle could resurrect it.

Smallpox was relatively easy to eradicate because;

• There are no asymptomatic carriers
• People are only contagious when gross symptoms are present
• There are no animal carriers for Smallpox
• Diagnosis is very easy

Not many diseases are as easy to get rid of. Polio will probably be the next one.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Money.

If you wanted to sell say, 90,000 tickets to an Anthony Joshua fight at Wembley you wouldn't need to maintain distancing if you only sold tickets to those who had been vaccinated. The aggregate of all the sectors you could fully reopen - to those vaccinated only - and economic impact on their supply chains is huge.

No passport and everyone is left applying the precautionary principle, restrictions, distancing, etc.

It’s probably not worth the time, effort and expense when all the vulnerable groups will have been vaccinated by the spring. This will have resulted in a marked decline in hospital admissions, and emergency restrictions will no longer be necessary.

We don’t need the whole population to be vaccinated before this happens. The whole point of the lockdowns, tiers and other measures were to ensure that hospitals were not overwhelmed. Roughly half of all deaths in the first lockdown were care home residents.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Sadly Travel will be buggered for at least two years if not longer.


Also, I expect unless you've had a coronavirus vaccine and any boosters you ain't going anywhere outside your country.

I don’t see any reason to agree with either of those points of view.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s probably not worth the time, effort and expense when all the vulnerable groups will have been vaccinated by the spring. This will have resulted in a marked decline in hospital admissions, and emergency restrictions will no longer be necessary.

We don’t need the whole population to be vaccinated before this happens. The whole point of the lockdowns, tiers and other measures were to ensure that hospitals were not overwhelmed. Roughly half of all deaths in the first lockdown were care home residents.

If all of those things hold true then yes, however if not the “expense” of such a scheme will be tiny compared to its economic impact.

If there are delays with vaccines, or they’re not proven to be as effective against new and emerging strains then the big question over reinfection could leave some restrictions in place for much longer than Spring.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Carth

What would a vaccine passport achieve?

Nothing

It'll make lots of money for whoever makes them, and a load more for whoever fakes them ...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

It'll make lots of money for whoever makes them, and a load more for whoever fakes them ...

I’m sure Matt Hancock will have friends who can step in.