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Old 11-01-2021, 10:25   #2386
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It's pretty unbelievable for this to have occurred in what is a mature democracy.
Not really. this is what happens when people think democracy has failed them, or they have been cheated.

People refused to accept Trump as president and now the other side is refusing to accept Biden.
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Not really. this is what happens when people think democracy has failed them, or they have been cheated.

People refused to accept Trump as president and now the other side is refusing to accept Biden.
Some have very short memories, they should have a peoples vote
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Not really. this is what happens when people think democracy has failed them, or they have been cheated.

People refused to accept Trump as president and now the other side is refusing to accept Biden.
More likely its because a few in influential folk in security let them walk in. Either through incompetence or deliberately. A few sackings in order I think.

Those that didn't want Trump as President didn't invade the Capitol and kill people.
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More likely its because a few in influential folk in security let them walk in. Either through incompetence or deliberately. A few sackings in order I think.

Those that didn't want Trump as President didn't invade the Capitol and kill people.
Antifa & BLM trashed cities all over the US for months.

https://www.heritage.org/progressivi...r-the-election

Lots of people have been killed...on both sides.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled


funny thing is though try to find any news articles on the months and months of Left wing violence in America, on Google at least, and there is very little..........................

Almost as if some major corporation is controlling the news and flow of information....................

Nah, I'm just imagining it.
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The biggest question there is if Amazon pull the plug since it's apparently hosted on their AWS services.

Some of the stuff on there though is direct advocacy of violence, it's pretty explicit look though some of the content on there. Even before the weekend, you had people whose Twitter accounts were more moderate whereas on Parlar they were directly advocating for people's deaths.

It might be a step removed from Apple/Google's reach but if the developers of the application are not showing any desire to remove this content and even openly celebrating the fact they won't then I think Apple/Google's decision is made a whole lot easier.

I think that is actually an easier decision than the Trump on Twitter one.
Amazon AWS has now pulled the plug on Parler.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55615214
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This is going to hurt Donnie more than any Twitter ban. They've taken the golf away from him !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/55615022
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Trump National in Bedminster has been stripped of the US PGA Championship in 2022 as its organisers felt using the course as host would be "detrimental".

The PGA of America voted to terminate the agreement on Sunday.

US President Donald Trump, who owns the course, has been accused by Democrats and some Republicans of encouraging last Wednesday's riot in Congress.

A representative for the Trump Organization said they were "incredibly disappointed" with the decision.
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Not really. this is what happens when people think democracy has failed them, or they have been cheated.

People refused to accept Trump as president and now the other side is refusing to accept Biden.
They introduced a false idea, spreading it by every available means (Fox, Twitter, etc.). Then, once people are talking about it, and some believe it, they cited its prevalence as evidence that it might be true - this is the trick by which the propaganda and lies they spread validates itself.

I don’t remember before Trump’s inauguration the losing Candidate refusing to accept the result, or gee-ing up her supporters to march on Congress?
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This is going to hurt Donnie more than any Twitter ban. They've taken the golf away from him !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/55615022
The program to fully ostracize Trump is now a go.

Given that much of the "Trump" branded hotels and buildings are actually owned by other people and his name is licenced, expect to see many of these buildings renamed very soon.

Business is business, but expect to see anyone that does business with Trump, themselves ostracized.

It's fairly agreed that Trumps business empire is a bit of a house of cards, expect to see the cards fall.

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I don’t remember before Trump’s inauguration the losing Candidate refusing to accept the result, or gee-ing up her supporters to march on Congress?
True, Obama didn't.

However, the Democrats have never recognised the legitimacy of Trumps presidency and have done everything they possibly could to remove a democratically elected president.

Don't get me wrong, the republicans did the same with Obama, casting doubt on his status as a US citizen,

And I'm pretty sure the democrats tried and failed to impeach GWB, and Clinton was definitely impeached.

So the US has a long history of trying to remove their elected presidents, so why would anybody be surprised that we have got to this point?
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So the US has a long history of trying to remove their elected presidents, so why would anybody be surprised that we have got to this point?
Not surprising at all, the whole country was founded on violently removing their rightful rulers.
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And built upon slavery the only difference is now the people are enslaved by capitalism and a system that doesn’t represent their interests.

It’s as true when Trump says it to his supporters (the ones you see) as when Black Lives Matter leaders tell their supporters.
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True, Obama didn't.

However, the Democrats have never recognised the legitimacy of Trumps presidency and have done everything they possibly could to remove a democratically elected president.

Don't get me wrong, the republicans did the same with Obama, casting doubt on his status as a US citizen,

And I'm pretty sure the democrats tried and failed to impeach GWB, and Clinton was definitely impeached.

So the US has a long history of trying to remove their elected presidents, so why would anybody be surprised that we have got to this point?
Impeachment is a different kettle of fish to storming Congress with weapons looking for lawmakers whilst the President demands the Vice President doesn't certify the results.

People using - albeit maybe you can call it abusing - the Democratic process to unseat a President is at least using the mechanisms legally provided to them in order to do it.

Likewise, when Trump was using the courts to try and overturn the results it was within the bounds of normality because that's what they're are there for and - as predicted - the process held firm and he didn't get anywhere.

So then he demanded the Vice President do something he isn't legally able to do and his supports resorted to violence.
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US Capitol riots: Arnold Schwarzenegger compares pro-Trump rioters to Nazis who attacked Jews during Night of Broken Glass

Arnold Schwarzenegger even uses the sword from Conan The Barbarian to illustrate his point about the value of democracy.

Arnold Schwarzenegger has compared the Donald Trump-supporting Capitol rioters to Nazis in a heartfelt video recalling his experience of growing up in the aftermath of the Second World War.

The movie star-turned-politician used his Twitter account to release an emotional piece to camera condemning the mob that stormed the building in Washington DC earlier this week.

In it, Schwarzenegger said the rampage was America's "Night of Broken Glass" - referring to the Kristallnacht of 1938 when shards of broken glass littered the streets of Nazi Germany after the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings and synagogues were smashed by paramilitary troops and civilians alike.

And he went further, describing the people who committed those acts as the "Nazi equivalent of the Proud Boys" - the far-right, neo-fascist, male-only American group of today, which Mr Trump has publicly failed to condemn and even mentioned during a presidential debate back in September.
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True, Obama didn't.

However, the Democrats have never recognised the legitimacy of Trumps presidency and have done everything they possibly could to remove a democratically elected president.

Don't get me wrong, the republicans did the same with Obama, casting doubt on his status as a US citizen,

And I'm pretty sure the democrats tried and failed to impeach GWB, and Clinton was definitely impeached.

So the US has a long history of trying to remove their elected presidents, so why would anybody be surprised that we have got to this point?
Eh? The Democrats ensured a smooth handover and attended Trump's inauguration.

The Democrats have not done everything they possibly could to remove a democratically elected president. Far from it. You only have to look at Trump's call for a march on Capitol Hill and phone calls to find votes to understand what everything possible looks like.

Yes, they've held Trump to account and impeached him but thy would be negligent not to have done so. That's a world apart from Trump's efforts.

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Playing the man and not the ball?

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Impeachment is a different kettle of fish to storming Congress with weapons looking for lawmakers whilst the President demands the Vice President doesn't certify the results.

People using - albeit maybe you can call it abusing - the Democratic process to unseat a President is at least using the mechanisms legally provided to them in order to do it.

Likewise, when Trump was using the courts to try and overturn the results it was within the bounds of normality because that's what they're are there for and - as predicted - the process held firm and he didn't get anywhere.

So then he demanded the Vice President do something he isn't legally able to do and his supports resorted to violence.
Exactly. False equivalence.
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The Democrats have not done everything they possibly could to remove a democratically elected president.
Earth to planet Andrew. Pointless getting into a debate with you if that's your starting point.
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