UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Got some bad news about GPDR, it probably isn't going away - http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedP...nical_Note.pdf

GPDR is a pain but it is all about protecting our personal data. It's actually a huge benefit for multinational companies as there was a hodgepodge of different regulations across Europe before which made offshoring data a real pain. For example, my companies HR data was backed up in the US apart from data from Belgium and Germany. GPDR and the 'Adequacy framework' in GPDR let all data be centralised.

I understand that there is a burden for small business. However, how do you decide what small businesses, if any should GPDR apply to? Should it apply to a plumber with three employees? Maybe not. Should it apply to a lawyer writing wills as a sole trader? Probably yes.

There is no problem in my book with legislation that protects personal data, but as usual, the EU makes that legislation so complicated and work intensive for all organisations, that it has proved a huge pain for businesses, particularly the smaller ones.

Why could they not simply set out the standards required rather than have each company write out specifically how they were going to comply with it? Instead of having everything set out clearly in the legislation, every company has had to replicate the same process. Do they think organisations have nothing better to do?

Hopefully, the UK will draft a law which is better understood and does not require so much bureaucracy once we leave the EU. We can surely achieve the objectives of the GDPR without taking the EU sledgehammer to crack the data protection nut.

Brexit means no longer being run by unelected bureaucrats.

Meanwhile, Downing Street says Nicky Morgan has been made a life peer and will keep her role as Culture Secretary.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Brexit means no longer being run by unelected bureaucrats.

Meanwhile, Downing Street says Nicky Morgan has been made a life peer and will keep her role as Culture Secretary.

Oh noes, there are government ministers in the Lords, hold the front page ...

Originally Posted by Chris

Oh noes, there are government ministers in the Lords, hold the front page ...

Oh noes, one of the war cries for Leave was "no unelected bureaucrats telling us what to do!"

But you knew that...

Originally Posted by Hugh

Oh noes, one of the war cries for Leave was "no unelected bureaucrats telling us what to do!"

But you knew that...

Government peers are ...

Appointed by the British PM;
Accountable in the British parliament via the Lords chamber and Commons select committee;
Accountable in the British cabinet;
Lose their job if the PM’s party is voted out by the British electorate.

Apparent similarity to EU officials is tangential at best.

But you knew that.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Brexit means no longer being run by unelected bureaucrats.

Meanwhile, Downing Street says Nicky Morgan has been made a life peer and will keep her role as Culture Secretary.

Get a sense of proportion, man!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Brexit means no longer being run by unelected bureaucrats.

Meanwhile, Downing Street says Nicky Morgan has been made a life peer and will keep her role as Culture Secretary.

I would tend to agree, not on what you’re bleating about, as you’re just bleating.

But on the second chamber and how it is appointed.

I don’t the Lords, I understand the argument on how it isn’t beholden to the electorate and therefore has some immunity to the ebb and flow of public opinion and can therefore carry out it’s checks and balances with impunity.

But I dislike how it is basically a retirement and pension plan for already well heeled MPs and business men.

I think you should be called to do it, for 1 term, like jury duty. not all of them but a large proportion, I know that would impact people working, but it’s not a full time job, you could do a few days a month. Some Lords never ever darken the chamber.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I would tend to agree, not on what you’re bleating about, as you’re just bleating.

But on the second chamber and how it is appointed.

I don’t the Lords, I understand the argument on how it isn’t beholden to the electorate and therefore has some immunity to the ebb and flow of public opinion and can therefore carry out it’s checks and balances with impunity.

But I dislike how it is basically a retirement and pension plan for already well heeled MPs and business men.

I think you should be called to do it, for 1 term, like jury duty. not all of them but a large proportion, I know that would impact people working, but it’s not a full time job, you could do a few days a month. Some Lords never ever darken the chamber.

One tends not to notice after 3 + years of it.

[tweetiepooh]

Their Lordship's aren't paid (directly) either. And being safe from "dismissal" means that they can be "unpopular" and do the job properly and see it through even when governments change.

I guess that once upon a time a peer who really went against the rule of law would be "retired" permanently. Now that would be an incentive to behave :P

[Mr K]

Boris Johnson has fuelled fears that workers’ rights and environmental safeguards will be ditched after Brexit after the government watered down a promise to enshrine them in law.

Downing Street suggested that the prime minister is no longer committed to pledges, made to MPs before the general election, to guarantee that standards will not be weakened when Britain leaves the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9248611.html

Looks like the lies have started to unravel already, and nobody is surprised...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9248611.html

Looks like the lies have started to unravel already, and nobody is surprised...

So they're not enshrined in law at the moment?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So they're not enshrined in law at the moment?

Laws that can be abolished post Brexit. Still i'm sure the workers know what they voted for !

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Laws that can be abolished post Brexit. Still i'm sure the workers know what they voted for !

From your quote, "government watered down a promise to enshrine them in law.". They are already enshrined in law, so no promise required. If the government change them then that is their right, just as it would've been Corbyn's right to change them if he had won.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

From your quote, "government watered down a promise to enshrine them in law.". They are already enshrined in law, so no promise required. If the government change them then that is their right, just as it would've been Corbyn's right to change them if he had won.

I'll try and explain slowly....

1. We have workers rights (protected by the EU).
   
2. Post Brexit we can change these laws, workers no longer have that protection.
   
3. Given the concerns from MPs prior to the election Bozza said he would continue with these protections, by adding them to UK law.
   
4. He's now going back on that, less than a week after the election.
   
5. He's a lying liar, which we all knew.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'll try and explain slowly....

1. We have workers rights (protected by the EU).
2. Post Brexit we can change these laws, workers no longer have that protection.
3. Given the concerns from MPs prior to the election Bozza said he would continue with these protections, by adding them to UK law.
4. He's now going back on that, less than a week after the election.
5. He's a lying liar, which we all knew.

1) EU directives have to be passed into law in each nation state, so whatever the EU currently says, is currently enshrined in law.
2) It is a little thing called democracy when a government is able to change or pass laws.
3) As pointed out in (1), nothing needs adding or is there to be added in the first place.
4) "Could" DOES NOT mean "Will".