U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Many states don't have those as exceptions.

Texas doesn't, nor does Oklahoma, Ohio or Kentucky amongst others.

Horrible. Women to be forced to keep pregnancies caused by rape.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Many states don't have those as exceptions.

Texas doesn't, nor does Oklahoma, Ohio or Kentucky amongst others.

Texas

A trigger law passed in 2021 would go into effect, banning abortion at any stage. There is an exception for medical emergencies to save the mother’s life. There are no exceptions for rape or incest. Anyone who performs abortions could face up to life in prison and fines, but patients themselves would be exempted from prosecution.

Abortion in the United Kingdom is legally available through the Abortion Act 1967 in Great Britain, and the Abortion (Northern Ireland) (No.2) Regulations 2020.
In England, Scotland, and Wales, abortion is permitted on the grounds of:

• risk to the life of the pregnant woman;
• preventing grave permanent injury to her physical or mental health;
• risk of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family (up to a term limit of 24 weeks of gestation); or
• substantial risk that, if the child were born, he or she would "suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped".

And the effect was to allow abortion on demand, on the bogus grounds of the woman being suicidal. A cleft palate was considered a serious handicap. They always find a way to selectively dodge the law.

BREAKING: U.S President Joe Biden says U.S Supreme Court decision will jeopardise millions of womens health and blames his predecessor, former president, Donald Trump.

[ianch99]

i have just finished watching the latest series of the Handmaid's Tale and for those who have not watched it, I would recommend it. For the great acting, yes but also for how much closer the US has just become to Gilead.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: U.S President Joe Biden says U.S Supreme Court decision will jeopardise millions of womens health and blames his predecessor, former president, Donald Trump.

We can't have little thing called democracy get in the way of diktat. You're only allowed to vote or decide the way they demand.

[ianch99]

Here are the various Supreme Court nominees lying their way into the job:

US Supreme Court justice promising to not overturn Roe v. Wade (abortion rights) during their appointment hearings

In the United Status supreme court justices are appointed after a hearing from the representatives where they ask the nominees about multiple issues. Today US Supreme Court gave a ruling that US citizens don't have right to abortion overturning its previous decision in famous case called Roe V. Wade

All the judges who voted in favor of overturning Roe V Wade were specifically asked during nomination hearings whether they would do so or not. Each one (who voted in favor) said no at the time, but today they overturned the previous decision taking away protection under right to abortion

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: U.S President Joe Biden says U.S Supreme Court decision will jeopardise millions of womens health and blames his predecessor, former president, Donald Trump.

Well then, he should change it!

It’s quite simple, the law courts do not make legislation they adjudicate on it. Politicians make law, not judges.

All the Supreme Court has done is recognise this anomaly.

I’m not an expert on the US legislative system, but I would think a Federal bill on abortion rights could be brought before the Senate and House of Representatives and be voted on.

That’s democracy isn’t it?

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: U.S President Joe Biden says U.S Supreme Court decision will jeopardise millions of womens health and blames his predecessor, former president, Donald Trump.

Of course he does, blaming the "predecessor" is standard policy.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Here are the various Supreme Court nominees lying their way into the job:

US Supreme Court justice promising to not overturn Roe v. Wade (abortion rights) during their appointment hearings

So what. Shouldn't have been a question in the first place. Not for anybody to unduly bully and interfere with a potential judicial decision, as that question attempts to do.
As I pointed out, "You're only allowed to vote or decide the way they demand".

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well then, he should change it!

It’s quite simple, the law courts do not make legislation they adjudicate on it. Politicians make law, not judges.

All the Supreme Court has done is recognise this anomaly.

I’m not an expert on the US legislative system, but I would think a Federal bill on abortion rights could be brought before the Senate and House of Representatives and be voted on.

That’s democracy isn’t it?

They can't because although they have a majority you need a super majority in the Senate which the Democrats don't have.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well then, he should change it!

It’s quite simple, the law courts do not make legislation they adjudicate on it. Politicians make law, not judges.

All the Supreme Court has done is recognise this anomaly.

I’m not an expert on the US legislative system, but I would think a Federal bill on abortion rights could be brought before the Senate and House of Representatives and be voted on.

That’s democracy isn’t it?

Then watch the squealing when the legislature changes hands.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well then, he should change it!

It’s quite simple, the law courts do not make legislation they adjudicate on it. Politicians make law, not judges.

All the Supreme Court has done is recognise this anomaly.

I’m not an expert on the US legislative system, but I would think a Federal bill on abortion rights could be brought before the Senate and House of Representatives and be voted on.

That’s democracy isn’t it?

Democrats tried, earlier on but failed in part because of the 50/50 split Senate and the old filibuster chestnut. One Democrat Senator sided with Republicans, so they couldn’t even use Vice President, Kamila Harris to break tie vote

The legislative branch of Government is the bottleneck to real modern day changes required in America.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

They can't because although they have a majority you need a super majority in the Senate which the Democrats don't have.

Well they have to work within the confines of their democratic system and not circumvent it via the courts. Roe v Wade and the actions resulting from that were unconstitutional (which is a big thing in the US)

If they can’t get a federal bill through , then it’s down to state legislature.

Many states will still offer abortions, if your state doesn’t, then lobby the state senate and Governor and /or vote them out.

Again……..democracy.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Democrats tried, earlier on but failed in part because of the 50/50 split Senate and the old filibuster chestnut. One Democrat Senator sided with Republicans, so they couldn’t even use Vice President, Kamila Harris to break tie vote

The legislative branch of Government is the bottleneck to real modern day changes required in America.

Understood, but you can’t short cut democracy when it suits, or doesn’t suit.

Look at the blow back here on the ECHR interference with the Rwanda plan.

We will sort that out through our government changing the law, the US has to do the same with the abortion issue.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mick

Democrats tried, earlier on but failed in part because of the 50/50 split Senate and the old filibuster chestnut. One Democrat Senator sided with Republicans, so they couldn’t even use Vice President, Kamila Harris to break tie vote

The legislative branch of Government is the bottleneck to real modern day changes required in America.

Silly question, but who gets to determine "modern day changes required"?
"Modern day" science has determined that unborn children can feel pain when pulled apart by the abortion process. Is that an example of "modern day changes required", you were referring to?

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by ianch99

i have just finished watching the latest series of the Handmaid's Tale and for those who have not watched it, I would recommend it. For the great acting, yes but also for how much closer the US has just become to Gilead.

I've watched all of the episodes, fantastic series.