Illegal migrants crossing the Channel. - Page 3

**Mick** · 01-01-2019, 13:58

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Not sure that "return" is a legal term. It's just Deportation or Extradition.

And let's not forget what the actual issue here is - these are Iranian migrants fleeing a country that is not exactly war torn, they just cannot abide living in harmony with other kinds of Muslims. That is not a valid excuse to claim asylum in another country.

Ken W · 01-01-2019, 14:30

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Totally meaningless. Better would be immediate deportation back to France. They have already passed through many countrys were they could claim asylum.

Agree with you, the UK is far too attractive for them.

richard s · 01-01-2019, 15:09

Are these ILLEGAL MIGRANTS hiding former ISIS members? I wonder.

**Hugh** · 01-01-2019, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Mick

And let's not forget what the actual issue here is - these are Iranian migrants fleeing a country that is not exactly war torn, they just cannot abide living in harmony with other kinds of Muslims. That is not a valid excuse to claim asylum in another country.

They say they are fleeing from religious persecution, according to an ITV report.

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-26/...n-at-any-cost/

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Most of the migrants ITV News spoke to were Christian, some recently converted from Islam after being persecuted by what they consider to be a dogmatic religious regime.

pip08456 · 01-01-2019, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh

They say they are fleeing from religious persecution, according to an ITV report.

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-26/...n-at-any-cost/

Yeh, OK.

nomadking · 01-01-2019, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Hugh

They say they are fleeing from religious persecution, according to an ITV report.

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-26/...n-at-any-cost/

Immigration scam #24,097. Yep, there's a lot of them.

Taf · 01-01-2019, 16:12

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Originally Posted by richard s

Are these ILLEGAL MIGRANTS hiding former ISIS members? I wonder.

And active Iranian Quds?

jfman · 01-01-2019, 23:31

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Originally Posted by Ken W

Agree with you, the UK is far too attractive for them.

That’s exactly what we need to do.

Make the UK a less desirable place to live. Make the poor even poorer.

Sephiroth · 02-01-2019, 07:19

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Originally Posted by jfman

The post I referred to used “deportation”. The language is less important than my question? Is it legal? Do France have to take them?

The Dublin Regulation, which is part of the Common European Asylum System (https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/wh...cies/asylum_en) requires asylum seekers to be processed at point of entry to the EU.

This means that not even France has to keep them and they can be removed to their original entry point for processing.

To answer another question (flippantly), if France refuses to take them back, then no fish!

jfman · 02-01-2019, 10:30

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/wh...-applicants_en

This link on the same website cites “family considerations “ as part of the criteria. Considering we leave the EU on 29th March what rules apply then?

mrmistoffelees · 02-01-2019, 10:42

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Originally Posted by jfman

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/wh...-applicants_en

This link on the same website cites “family considerations “ as part of the criteria. Considering we leave the EU on 29th March what rules apply then?

The same I believe, as we enter the transition period

Taf · 02-01-2019, 12:02

My French wife entered the UK after our marriage in 1986, and was immediately granted "Permanent Right To Reside" so does not have to apply for "Right To Reside" as an EEA member even after 2021.

But at the moment it looks like she can travel to the EU on her French ID, but would not be allowed back into the UK without a passport after 2021.

**Damien** · 02-01-2019, 12:24

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Originally Posted by Taf

My French wife entered the UK after our marriage in 1986, and was immediately granted "Permanent Right To Reside" so does not have to apply for "Right To Reside" as an EEA member even after 2021.

But at the moment it looks like she can travel to the EU on her French ID, but would not be allowed back into the UK without a passport after 2021.

Be kind of awkward if the UK doesn't accept the French ID card having done so for years. It's the kind of existing relationship that works for everyone which we should just maintain. Like the EU passport gates.

Taf · 02-01-2019, 12:53

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Originally Posted by Damien

Be kind of awkward if the UK doesn't accept the French ID card having done so for years. It's the kind of existing relationship that works for everyone which we should just maintain. Like the EU passport gates.

The French Consulate (among others of the EU) have been saying that they hope an accord can be met with the UK. But at the same time saying that travel to the EU (and around it) by UK citizens will require a passport (as we have no national ID cards).

**Damien** · 02-01-2019, 13:25

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Originally Posted by Taf

The French Consulate (among others of the EU) have been saying that they hope an accord can be met with the UK. But at the same time saying that travel to the EU (and around it) by UK citizens will require a passport (as we have no national ID cards).

I think an accord would be reached. It would be petty not to continue accepting if we've hitherto been fine with it. I wish the UK did have a National ID card that you could use to travel with the EU and on domestic flights e.t.c. Even better if it were your driving licence, NHS and NI numbers were on it too.

BTW Why did your wife get "Permanent Right To Reside"? Was it just excellent foresight cos I would have thought she was have no need for it being an EU citizen?