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Old 05-08-2022, 10:01   #691
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

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LABOUR leader Sir Keir Starmer was blasted for being missing in action during the cost of living crisis by Gordon Brown.

The opposition leader is sunning himself on a foreign holiday leaving the ex-PM to fume crises ďdonít take holidaysĒ.
Tories blasted the leader after attacking Boris Johnson for being away last week.

Labour say their cost of living plan will come early next week, with plans to help pay-as-you-go users coming sooner.

Taking aim at the leader, the Labour big beast Mr Brown wrote yesterday: ďTime and tide wait for no one. Neither do crises.

ďThey donít take holidays, and donít politely hang fire Ė certainly not to suit the convenience of a departing PM and the whims of two potential successors and the Conservative party membership.Ē
Not really noticed his absence.
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Old 12-08-2022, 18:52   #693
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

It seems Labour's package will be announced Monday now. Hopefully, it does something and puts pressure on the Government to do more. Liz Truss really doesn't seem keen.
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

If it takes months for Sir Keir to months to come up with a hypothetical plan I dread to think how long his indecisiveness would last at the wheel.
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Old 14-08-2022, 02:28   #695
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

Labour plans can usually be summed up as "beg, borrow, or steal".
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Labour plans can usually be summed up as "beg, borrow, or steal".
Sounds like the privatised energy firms.
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Old 14-08-2022, 03:22   #697
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Sounds like the privatised energy firms.
A total profit of £35 per customer to be given back. What a difference that will make.
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

Bit bigger than that: https://www.theguardian.com/business...-energy-prices

Freeze the cap (presumably underwriting the cost or doing as Brown said and temporarily renationalise the service providers).
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Bit bigger than that: https://www.theguardian.com/business...-energy-prices

Freeze the cap (presumably underwriting the cost or doing as Brown said and temporarily renationalise the service providers).
How much bigger? Can't see it. So it's borrow and steal.

The £35 is from Ofgem, I gave the link.
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How much bigger? Can't see it. So it's borrow and steal.

The £35 is from Ofgem, I gave the link.
Freeze the cap so that the price doesn't go up in October. So it'll be about £1,300 or something per household.

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Freeze the cap so that the price doesn't go up in October.
If a cap can be lifted every few weeks then it's just a target that the energy firms go out of their way to reach ,so i agree with you ,freeze the cap and stop this madness.
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Freeze the cap so that the price doesn't go up in October. So it'll be about £1,300 or something per household.
And how would that reduce the cost of the energy that they supply? If the taxpayer(via borrowing) funds the difference, then it would cost £2.8bn per extra £100 of cost per year, and for how many years? Then there's the "cost of living" expenditure on top of that.
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And how would that reduce the cost of the energy that they supply? If the taxpayer(via borrowing) funds the difference, then it would cost £2.8bn per extra £100 of cost per year, and for how many years? Then there's the "cost of living" expenditure on top of that.
It wouldn't. It would protect people themselves from the impact, moving that impact onto the Government.

And yes it would cost money. Better than having people see half their monthly income going to keep warm. There are people on disability allowance, carers allowance or even pension who simply can not afford the price cap, it would wipe them out. I believe you need to be earning about 60k for the average price cap price not to move you into the measurement of fuel poverty.
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How about a profit cap-i think the greedy buggers have earned enough out of peoples misery for this year.
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How about a profit cap-i think the greedy buggers have earned enough out of peoples misery for this year.
As I pointed out, it's all of £35/customer/year. Even with the windfall tax of around £180/customer/year, there is still a huge gap.
The UK consumes more than double the amount of gas it produces, so more than half the gas comes from outside of the UK, and outside of UK tax jurisdiction. How can they be described as "greedy" when they don't set the price?

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