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**Hugh** · 02-11-2021, 22:45

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It's not all or nothing - it's about graduated responses.

As has been proven, wearing a mask, as well as other options, reduces the chance of infecting others - why wouldn't people want to reduce the chance of infecting others?

Yeah, yeah! Vaccinations….

I can just see the conversation in your local A&E…

Doctor - "I don’t understand why Mr OldBoy is so seriously injured - the Police said the car crash he was involved in was at under 30 miles per hour?"

Mrs OldBoy - "I think it was because he insisted on not wearing his seat belt and had the driver’s airbag deactivated - he said the car had good brakes, and that one thing should be sufficient; anything else would be unnecessary…".

OLD BOY · 03-11-2021, 07:49

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I can just see the conversation in your local A&E…

Doctor - "I don’t understand why Mr OldBoy is so seriously injured - the Police said the car crash he was involved in was at under 30 miles per hour?"

Mrs OldBoy - "I think it was because he insisted on not wearing his seat belt and had the driver’s airbag deactivated - he said the car had good brakes, and that one thing should be sufficient; anything else would be unnecessary…".

That wasn't the reason...the mask steamed my bloody glasses up.

Carth · 03-11-2021, 09:17

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That wasn't the reason...the mask steamed my bloody glasses up.

Which obviously impaired your vision, so technically you were driving in an unsafe manner . . . no insurance payout

**Maggy** · 03-11-2021, 09:37

Topic?? Coronavirus related postings please.

**Paul** · 03-11-2021, 18:38

I havent seen this mentioned previously ;

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...and-from-april

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Mandatory vaccination to be introduced for NHS England’s 1.2 million full-time staff from next year

The paper seems unable to count as the 1.2 suddenly becomes 1.45 .....

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Covid vaccination is to be made compulsory for the NHS’s 1.45 million staff in England, despite criticism that forcing frontline personnel to get jabbed is heavy-handed and will lead some to quit.

(Maybe 0.25 are part time, kinda confusing though)

nffc · 03-11-2021, 18:53

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I havent seen this mentioned previously ;

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...and-from-april

The paper seems unable to count as the 1.2 suddenly becomes 1.45 .....

(Maybe 0.25 are part time, kinda confusing though)

Well, it is the Grauniad.

**Damien** · 03-11-2021, 19:16

They are right about the core point of the story however, that all 1.6 million NHS staff will have to have the vaccine.

jonbxx · 04-11-2021, 08:33

My kids have big old happy hats on this morning. Hertfordshire County Council has mandated masks in schools again - https://www.hertfordshire.gov.uk/abo...nts-and-carers

Packed them off this morning with their masks and spares.

jfman · 04-11-2021, 09:41

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What evidence? Our scientists disagree with you.

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Surely, because teenagers were rarely ill with it, and so there was no point. As I said earlier, it’s a balance of benefits isn’t it? Vaccinations also cause harm.

The evidence that the JCVI themselves ignored.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ourable-models

As I say if this was all above board the minutes, evidence and justification would have been published ahead of schools going back.

You enjoy the soup of British exceptionalism all you wish Old Boy, however there’s no real reason after so many deaths that our world leading behavioural scientists and sociologists are any better than those elsewhere in the world. They couldn’t even convince the 4 CMOs in the UK and devolved administrations.

In practice the vaccination of children is inevitable. The question is why we are dragging our feet against the evidence?

nffc · 04-11-2021, 10:09

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The evidence that the JCVI themselves ignored.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ourable-models

As I say if this was all above board the minutes, evidence and justification would have been published ahead of schools going back.

You enjoy the soup of British exceptionalism all you wish Old Boy, however there’s no real reason after so many deaths that our world leading behavioural scientists and sociologists are any better than those elsewhere in the world. They couldn’t even convince the 4 CMOs in the UK and devolved administrations.

In practice the vaccination of children is inevitable. The question is why we are dragging our feet against the evidence?

I agree with you on this and see the inevitability that we will eventually end up vaccinating children over 5 like the US are starting and maybe even younger as they do more trials.

Definitely more so if we do get more effective vaccines against transmission and milder infection but then you'd see that would probably need to be rolled out to everyone then.

As I understand the reason why the JCVI etc are a bit tetchy about it is simply a question of benefit/risk management. It is still logically true that kids who get covid in the majority do not get ill enough to be hospitalised and do not get ill enough to die. So whilst there will be some reduced transmission effect from doing so, a vaccine which is highly effective at reducing these, is a group which is not susceptible to it anyway, is being administered with less tangible benefit other than a more marginal effect on transmission. Where I would disagree with them is that this effect is still helpful.

The other issue is the risk from side effects of the vaccine, and how the chance of these stacks up against the chance of getting ill from covid. You could indeed argue that if the chance of side effects which need hospitalisation from the vaccine is higher than the chance of covid infection causing the same that the vaccine is not worth it. But then, side effects from a vaccine aren't infectious.

Pierre · 04-11-2021, 10:49

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and see the inevitability that we will eventually end up vaccinating children over 5

only with parental consent.

**Maggy** · 04-11-2021, 11:54

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59163899

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The first pill designed to treat symptomatic Covid has been approved by the UK medicines regulator.

The tablet - molnupiravir - will be given twice a day to vulnerable patients recently diagnosed with the disease.

In clinical trials the pill, originally developed to treat flu, cut the risk of hospitalisation or death by about half.

Health secretary Sajid Javid said the treatment was a "gamechanger" for the most frail and immunosuppressed.

In a statement he said: "Today is a historic day for our country, as the UK is now the first country in the world to approve an antiviral that can be taken at home for Covid."

Even better news.

jfman · 04-11-2021, 12:05

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only with parental consent.

If it saves them from paying £30 testing their kids when flying over to Benidorm from the Covid capital of the world most of the plebs will do it.

Sephiroth · 04-11-2021, 12:06

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If it saves them from paying £30 testing their kids when flying over to Benidorm from the Covid capital of the world most of the plebs will do it.

Plebs? What about the "****"?

jfman · 04-11-2021, 12:35

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Plebs? What about the "****"?

They’re having a staycation.