Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] - Page 515

tdadyslexia · 31-05-2008, 15:03

"No DPI" web site launches with Phorm Protest Event
Digg is up to 72, Going Up.

The Petition is up to Signatures: 13,574

Kursk · 31-05-2008, 16:05

What's with the rather anonymously-named-geeky-sounding 'noDPI' website then? Aren't the bases already covered by this excellent forum and the equally excellent inphormationdesk? Sorry, have I missed something

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NTLVictim · 31-05-2008, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk

Sorry, have I missed something

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I blinked once on this thread, and missed three pages...

Rchivist · 31-05-2008, 16:30

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

OK press releases sent out to:

London Standard
The London Paper
Telegraph
Guardian
Financial Times
Daily Mail
Wired Magazine
Associated Press

Also notified:
Dan Simmons - BBC Click
Charles Arthur - The Guardian
Claer Barrett - Investors Chronicle

Here is a copy of the press release:

Feel free to use the press release for any contacts you may wish to make with other members of the press and media (obviously change the last couple of lines).

Alexander Hanff

I've sent details of the demo (and the toothless ICO response to the Mainwaring case) to my MP (Annette Brooke LD) who is a signatory to Don Fosters EDM and asked her to let the other signatories know if possible.

NTLVictim · 31-05-2008, 16:50

On the subject of ICO, it appears they had testes once upon a time..

Can someone legal find a precedent that creates a discord with what they have just done with Mr Rizzo's complaint? PDF attached.

pseudonym · 31-05-2008, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk

What's with the rather anonymously-named-geeky-sounding 'noDPI' website then?

There was a post in this thread that someone had registered www.webspies.co.uk - as it is not currently in use, might I suggest pointing it to the nodpi site until after the meeting.

Dephormation · 31-05-2008, 18:05

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Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo

* * * ICO will NOT take action over the 2007 trials * * *

The ICO have written to me in relation to the complaint I had made about the 2007 trials (re: BT intercepted my communications - told me I had a virus)

"BT have confirmed that no personally identifiable information was processed, stored or disclosed during either trial"

... APART FROM ALL YOUR PERSONAL WEB TRAFFIC.

"it would have been difficult to frame any advice for customers about the operation of cookies, and obtain any relevant consents"

... THATS WHY YOU DON'T DO IT. IF YOU CAN'T COMPLY WITH THE LAW YOU DON'T ACT.

"BTÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s view is that as the 2007 trial was small scale and technical in nature and no adverts were served"

... THAT'S BT's VIEW. ITS THE JOB OF THE INFORMATION COMMISSION TO PROTECT ALL THOSE PEOPLE INVOLVED. ONE IS TOO MANY. ONE THOUSAND IS TOO MANY. TEN THOUSAND IS TOO MANY.

Is there a way to complain or appeal that decision?

If that is the best ICO can do, well, this *absolutely* reeks of political corruption.

Pete.

popper · 31-05-2008, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk

What's with the rather anonymously-named-geeky-sounding 'noDPI' website then? Aren't the bases already covered by this excellent forum and the equally excellent inphormationdesk? Sorry, have I missed something

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in a way ,yes, but the NoDPI seems set to cover far more than mear Phorm DPI, it can cover all the worlds Deep Packet Inspection/Interception For Profit type operations that are sure to come calling soon, not just the UK part such as the two or three main ones we already know.

such as NebuAd thats got a Uk office ready to start operations once the Phorm trials finally appear and settle one way or the other.

the Experian (1 of the 3 main Uk Credit Reference Agency's)
Experion ClickMe that want to link their existing data into the unlawful interception DPI data they and their partners collect.

and, the Mobile phone Phorm type selling of DPI data that Orange #mobile_phorm type interception are performing and exanding(perhaps right now?)in the near future for instance.

its all the rage and the Mobile 3G/WiMax DPI interception markets are seen as the new MEGA cashcow (far bigger than any current SMS/WAP unlawful data collection for profit etc)for all the Uk, and indeed the worlds mobile data networks.

lardycake · 31-05-2008, 18:43

@Frank (and probably anyone else who makes a complaint to that useless organisation called the ICO)
The ICO have a complaints procedure which you will probably have to follow. It eventually leads to the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman.

ICO Complaints procedure

EDIT: just to clarify, a procedure to complain about the ICO itself

AlexanderHanff · 31-05-2008, 19:05

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Originally Posted by NTLVictim

A thought has just crossed what I laughingly call my brain, could be a new wrinkle..

Does phorm/BT's activity contravene our human rights (as in European Court of)?

Yes. But the court of human rights is only applicable to public authorities not companies. The complaint to the EU Court of Human Rights would have to be about ICOs lack of action.

Alexander Hanff

popper · 31-05-2008, 19:16

it seems everyone missed the Click! 2.28 second coverage of Phorm on their security show update this morning.

they do seem intent on putting the Phorm case and the emails they chose for the Anti-Phorm case were very weak to say the least, but here it is anyway.

full size AVC (H.264,Mpeg4-part10) 2.28 clip
http://www.divshare.com/download/4627159-d39

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/new...23_16x9_bb.asx

Linux/OtherOS VLC users direct link cut and paste the full url as its got a carrage return in it to keep it from scrolling off the browser screen.

mms://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/news/media_acl/mps/fix/news/science_nature/
video/177000/bb/177023_16x9_bb.wmv

AlexanderHanff · 31-05-2008, 19:37

We still need more Diggs

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 19:37 ---------- Previous post was at 19:17 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo

* * * ICO will NOT take action over the 2007 trials * * *

The ICO have written to me in relation to the complaint I had made about the 2007 trials (re: BT intercepted my communications - told me I had a virus)

I have passed this information on to Chris Williams and sent you a PM.

Alexander Hanff

Rchivist · 31-05-2008, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTLVictim

On the subject of ICO, it appears they had testes once upon a time..

Can someone legal find a precedent that creates a discord with what they have just done with Mr Rizzo's complaint? PDF attached.

I'm planning to add information about cookie handling on bt.com, to an existing complaint to ICO, about the way webwise.bt.com/webwise/contact.php operated on 28 May 2008 when I made a test visit. (when it lived over in the USA and sent forwarded emails to customers with headers including reference to ww3.phorm.com) - and I also have todays logs, of a similar visit, AFTER webwise.bt.com got frantically repatriated to UK, and all the code rewritten between 28th and 31st May.

Here's what the new rewritten, relocated BT Webwise pages get up to now that BT have a few days trying to make them legal, decent honest and truthful.

Here is a bit of dephormation logging done AFTER I deleted ALL bt.com cookies manually, logged in to BT Beta forums, and then logged OUT, closed then reopened my browser, then visited webwise.bt.com and filled out a contact.php form.

The first bit shows what the browser is doing as I visit webwise.bt.com (Remember I am NOT logged in to bt.com)

Dephormation Message
Date Time: 31/5/2008 17:31.50
Current Location: http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/in...oLDesc=KB_1167
Current Cookies: JSESSIONID_bta=ENCRYPTEDSTUFF; SMSESSION=LOGGEDOFF; JSESSIONID_btPortalWebApp=ENCRYPTEDSTUFF; btcom.userName=MYPRIMARYBTEMAILADDRESS@btinternet. com; btcom.isLoggedIn=Yes; btcom.dateVisited=31/05/2008; s_cc=true; s_sq=getreportsuiteidMUNGEDSearchBLAHResultsBLAHBL AHpidtBLAHoidBLAHBLAH
http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/in...BLAHDlinkclick
BLAHoLNameBLAHDlink.searchresultsBLAHBLAH; PHPSESSID=ENCRYPTEDSTUFF
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and the next bit is the visit to the contact.php submission page - still NOT logged into bt.com

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Dephormation Message
Date Time: 31/5/2008 17:31.57
Current Location: http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/contact.php
Current Cookies: JSESSIONID_bta=ENCRYPTEDSTUFF; SMSESSION=LOGGEDOFF; JSESSIONID_btPortalWebApp=ENCRYPTEDSTUFF; btcom.userName=MYPRIMARYBTEMAILADDRESS@btinternet. com; btcom.isLoggedIn=Yes; btcom.dateVisited=31/05/2008; s_cc=true; s_sq=getreportsuiteidBLAHSearchBLAHResultsBLAHpidt BLAHoidBLAH
http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/in...ype%25253Dlink
click%252526oLName%25253Dlink.searchresultsBLAH; PHPSESSID=ENCRYPTEDSTUFF
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I suppose the ICO will just ask BT if there is anything suspicious about that lot, and BT will say, "Of course not Commissioner - we have sought, er conducted, er extensive legal avice into that iss... er around that area" and that will be the end of it.

AlexanderHanff · 31-05-2008, 19:48

I have contacted Rory Cellan-Jones from the BBC as well to see if he would be interested in joining us at the protest.

Alexander Hanff

popper · 31-05-2008, 20:29

Robert, can you edit your post before the time limit runs out for editing,and add some carrage returns in the right places to break up the long data strings, as they are scrolling off the webpage, and make yours and all the other posts really hard to read as they re-flow to the wider view, thanks

thanks, that works and looks far better for me

---------- Post added at 20:29 ---------- Previous post was at 20:08 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I have contacted Rory Cellan-Jones from the BBC as well to see if he would be interested in joining us at the protest.

Alexander Hanff

you might not get any good answers but id be interested in Spencer Kelly of Click! attending or at least getting some answers as put from the real AntiPhorm perspective on video.

why did he come across as a Phorm advocate in the shows for instance, does he really side with the Pro-Phorm stance, and if so what are his PERSONAL thoughts on our legal and moral points etc as put here?

what part did Click! Richard Taylor Editor and Series Producer,
Chris Long Producer ,and/or,Talia Franco Producer, play in this some might say Pro-Phorm coverage direction ?; was spencer a mear talking head in all this, and if so ,whats his real view if he's fully informed about the subject, if he's not then he should read the full thread