Brexit discussion - Page 77

**Mick** · 08-12-2017, 10:24

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

More fake news, I'm afraid. I'm sorry you've been mislead again.

Rubbish as always and I have never been misled (correct spelling btw).

1andrew1 · 08-12-2017, 10:33

Begiining of the end for Brexit as we know it?

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But this, of course, is precisely why this deal is not just the beginning of the end of the Brexit talks. It is potentially the beginning of the end of Brexit itself. If the deal sticks, the dreams of a clean break, of throwing off the shackles of EU regulation and sailing off into the great blue yonder of Empire 2.0 are over - unless the “swivel-eyed loons” can stage a coup, call off the talks process and crash out with no deal. And as they themselves have always argued, if Britain is not making a clean break, what is the point of breaking up with the EU at all? Ireland has just pointed its neighbour towards one obvious answer to that question.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/f...exit-1.3320096

**Mick** · 08-12-2017, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Hugh

It’s a German politician’s view, swiftly dismissed by Merkel.

Merkel, does not run the show, like she thinks she does, Verhofstadt, wants a U.S.E and so does Juncker. (They always have).

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Begiining of the end for Brexit as we know it?

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/f...exit-1.3320096

Keep on with the undemocratic dreaming.

Brexit is happening !

**Damien** · 08-12-2017, 10:41

Leave.EU have accused May of being a 'traitor', they really do like that label.

1andrew1 · 08-12-2017, 10:41

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Originally Posted by Mick

Rubbish as always and I have never been misled (correct spelling btw).

Well, it's the view of a random German politician not the EU. So why the rant at the EU then?

**Mick** · 08-12-2017, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Damien

Leave.EU have accused May of being a 'traitor', they really do like that label.

It’s accurate.

1andrew1 · 08-12-2017, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Damien

Leave.EU have accused May of being a 'traitor', they really do like that label.

At least Vote Leave understand the implications of the deal. Many Brexiters still don't.

**Mick** · 08-12-2017, 10:46

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Well, it's the view of a random German politician not the EU. So why the rant at the EU then?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

I will say this again, EU’s Verhofstadt and Juncker also want a U.S.E. Verhofstadt ‘agreed’ with Martin Schulz controversial tweet, saying those who don’t agree, will be forced to leave the EU.

1andrew1 · 08-12-2017, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Mick

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

I will say this again, EU’s Verhofstadt and Juncker also want a U.S.E. Verhofstadt ‘agreed’ with Martin Schulz controversial tweet, saying those who don’t agree, will be forced to leave the EU.

One German politician and one EU chap don't represent the entire EU. Nor does it make the EU corrupt. I don't want a United States of Europe, either.

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Originally Posted by Mick

It’s accurate.

She's carrying out the will of the people is she not? Been told that a few times.

Carth · 08-12-2017, 11:01

What a joke it's all turned out to be . . not that we really expected our politicians to do any other than capitulate at every opportunity.

The wheels on the gravy train keep turning

*goes to look at house prices in Cape Town . . may as well be warm while being shafted*

**Damien** · 08-12-2017, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Mick

It’s accurate.

It's not though and it's becoming tiresome that those who preach about democracy call all opposition to their politics traitors.

denphone · 08-12-2017, 11:05

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Originally Posted by Carth

What a joke it's all turned out to be . . not that we really expected our politicians to do any other than capitulate at every opportunity.

The wheels on the gravy train keep turning

*goes to look at house prices in Cape Town . . may as well be warm while being shafted*

Those who put their faith in politicians will generally be disappointed with most of the outcomes.

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Originally Posted by Damien

It's not though and it's becoming tiresome that those who preach about democracy call all opposition to their politics traitors.

They seem to want their cake and eat it..

**Mick** · 08-12-2017, 11:10

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

One German politician and one EU chap don't represent the entire EU. Nor does it make the EU corrupt. I don't want a United States of Europe, either.

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She's carrying out the will of the people is she not? Been told that a few times.

The EU is corrupt, nothing you say will change my mind on that, the way they disgustingly behave means they are totally corrupt.

As for your 2nd point, May has not carried out the will of 17.4 Million people. It looks like we are leaving, only in name. We will still be aligned and have to adhere to the same pathetic, corrupted regulations.

The fact that Remainers seem happy with today’s deal, more than leavers, shows what a complete shambles Brexit is going to be. Theresa the crackpot and weak appeaser. She needs to go.

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Originally Posted by Damien

It's not though and it's becoming tiresome that those who preach about democracy call all opposition to their politics traitors.

Democracy?

What’s that?

There is no such thing, as this deal today shows.

Mr K · 08-12-2017, 12:00

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Originally Posted by Mick

The fact that Remainers seem happy with todayÂ’s deal, more than leavers, shows what a complete shambles Brexit is going to be. Theresa the crackpot and weak appeaser. She needs to go.

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Told you it wouldn't really happen Mick ! Brexit is a name only. Mainstream politicians maybe mad but they're not that mad.

I think Theresa is a mastermind, she's seen off the swivel eyed loons and totally out manoeuvred Gove/Boris. They've said what a wonderful deal it is today, and I really don't think they've totally understood it.

1andrew1 · 08-12-2017, 12:19

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Told you it wouldn't really happen Mick ! Brexit is a name only. Mainstream politicians maybe mad but they're not that mad.

I think Theresa is a mastermind, she's seen off the swivel eyed loons and totally out manoeuvred Gove/Boris. They've said what a wonderful deal it is today, and I really don't think they've totally understood it.

It was never going to happen in the way that people like Farage described it. Why bother on impact studies when the future will be as it is now just a bit more red tape?
The only way to "take back control" is to re-join the EU but I doubt that would go down well in some places!