Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nffc

The science about how a vaccine works is pretty well established though.

You’re using a lot of words to not offer very much new information I’m afraid.

There’s no real world evidence to demonstrate efficacy against infection of the current vaccines against current variants at all. In six months when we are two more waves and variants on, the gap will be even wider. Hybrid immunity is clearly not up to much either, despite it’s many proponents.

This is my last input on the subject for now the thread was dead and buried and I’ve no real interest in resuscitating to debate the palpably obvious.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Taf

Vaccines never prevent infection, but they do reduce transmission.

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298

Originally Posted by Hugh

I remember Pfizer saying their coronavirus vaccine was more than 90% effective in preventing Covid-19 among those without evidence of prior infection, not that it stopped all infection…

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/covi...infection.html

Instant contradiction generator

[Taf]

How does the immune system ward off attacks by viruses and bacteria that are not yet inside the body?

Many types live on our skin and are ignored. But once they get inside (infect), the war begins, helped by vaccines that have taught the immune system what they look like, act like and what toxins they produce.

[Mad Max]

I got my 4th shot and flu jab last Wednesday, no ill effects at all.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

I got my 4th shot and flu jab last Wednesday, no ill effects at all.

I had mine last Thursday and felt fine, no aching this time either.

On Friday I was extremely tired, so much so that I basically slept from Thursday night until this morning.

I suppose this will have been the vaccine working it's way into my system.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Paul

Really, and on what medical evidence do you base that ?


Since its free, and does work (help) i'll be taking up the offer on Oct 19th.

For gods sake, don't. More and more research data is coming out that implicates the cabs in myocarditis, pericarditis, strokes, sudden death, a lowering of immune function and all sorts of other nasty side effects.
The CDC followed about 10 million jabbed people and their data (released after a year of foi requests and two court orders) shows that 7.8% of people who got the jab needed medical treatment afterwards and 25% couldn't go to work or school for a period of time after the injection.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Instant contradiction generator

Indeed, and the EU just got a pfizer exec to admit under oath that the jabs don't and were never designed to prevent transmission.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

For gods sake, don't. More and more research data is coming out that implicates the cabs in myocarditis, pericarditis, strokes, sudden death, a lowering of immune function and all sorts of other nasty side effects.
The CDC followed about 10 million jabbed people and their data (released after a year of foi requests and two court orders) shows that 7.8% of people who got the jab needed medical treatment afterwards and 25% couldn't go to work or school for a period of time after the injection.

Take it from me, my immune system is doing just fine.
Just so you know, I have had multiple flu jabs, and multiple covid jabs, and not a single side effect from any of them.

Of course, you could equally say that 92.2% of people who got the jab (which jab ?) needed no medical treatment afterwards, and that 75% could go straight back to school or work again.

As Ive posted in the past, all vaccines do is prepare your body to deal with a virus, they do not prevent, or cure.
However, if they do the job well, your body kills off the invading virus before you notice, so it appears they prevent infection.
By the same token, if the virus in you gets killed off quickly, there is little chance of you passing it on, so it appears to prevent transmission.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

For gods sake, don't. More and more research data is coming out that implicates the cabs in myocarditis, pericarditis, strokes, sudden death, a lowering of immune function and all sorts of other nasty side effects.
The CDC followed about 10 million jabbed people and their data (released after a year of foi requests and two court orders) shows that 7.8% of people who got the jab needed medical treatment afterwards and 25% couldn't go to work or school for a period of time after the injection.

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Indeed, and the EU just got a pfizer exec to admit under oath that the jabs don't and were never designed to prevent transmission.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N31F20E

Social media users are circulating video clips of testimony by a Pfizer executive, who is said to “admit” that the company and its partner BioNTech did not test whether their mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine reduced virus transmission prior to rolling it out – which is something the companies were not required to do for initial regulatory approval, nor did they claim to have done.

To get emergency approval, companies needed to show that the vaccines were safe and prevented vaccinated people from getting ill. They did not have to show that the vaccine would also prevent people from spreading the virus to others. Once the vaccines were on the market, independent researchers in multiple countries studied people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and did show that vaccination reduced transmission of variants circulating at the time.

As these results on transmission were emerging in early 2021, national health authorities in many countries implemented or proposed vaccine-passport-style regulations that prompted ongoing debate (here) over the ethical and legal basis of the rules.

The misleading posts imply that national restrictions such as vaccine passports were based on a promise of vaccines blocking virus spread that neither the companies nor EU regulators made before the vaccines were marketed.

Sigh

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

For gods sake, don't. More and more research data is coming out that implicates the cabs in myocarditis, pericarditis, strokes, sudden death, a lowering of immune function and all sorts of other nasty side effects.
The CDC followed about 10 million jabbed people and their data (released after a year of foi requests and two court orders) shows that 7.8% of people who got the jab needed medical treatment afterwards and 25% couldn't go to work or school for a period of time after the injection.

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Indeed, and the EU just got a pfizer exec to admit under oath that the jabs don't and were never designed to prevent transmission.

The myocarditis occurrences and the fact the latest vaccine does not touch the latest variants have made me decide to swerve the latest round

Thank heavens for some sensible people on this site.Paul,Hugh and Chris.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

The myocarditis occurrences and the fact the latest vaccine does not touch the latest variants have made me decide to swerve the latest round

What about the covid death occurrences, 597 in the last week. Balance of risks.
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsu...20even%20lower.

Reports of myocarditis following any Covid-19 vaccine remain rare, and the cases that have been reported have usually been mild. Those affected have usually quickly felt better with rest and simple treatments. In most cases of myocarditis, heart function returns to normal.

Research suggests that overall, myocarditis is no more likely to be triggered by a Covid vaccine by than any other vaccine.

It's also worth noting that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine is, and people who are vaccinated have a much lower risk of getting other serious complications caused by Covid-19.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N31F20E

Lol. You do know that Reuters and Pfizer share top execs? It's a revolving door. I wouldn't take the Reuters fact check service at face value when it comes to Pfizer products.


edit: Anyway, I'm not saying anymore on this subject.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Lol. You do know that Reuters and Pfizer share top execs? It's a revolving door. I wouldn't take the Reuters fact check service at face value when it comes to Pfizer products.

edit: Anyway, I'm not saying anymore on this subject.

What's your source and who are the top execs participating in this "revolving door"?

[Ramrod]

Research online. The info isn't all that hard to find