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Old 27-06-2019, 12:40   #3706
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Thank you for that information, jonbxx. However, it seems to me that the UK could come up with a solution that satisfies the objectors.
Such as?
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Old 27-06-2019, 14:14   #3707
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Some more evidence that a No Deal will adversely impact the UK:

No-deal Brexit could shut down car plants in UK, Japan tells Johnson and Hunt
Nothing to do with Brexit.
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Car giant Ford has said it is planning to cut about 12,000 jobs across its European operations by the end of 2020.
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The whole car sector is currently struggling to cope with weak or falling demand in major markets, and the huge investments required for the shift towards electric vehicles.
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Old 27-06-2019, 15:49   #3708
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Nothing to do with Brexit.
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You didn't read the article did you?
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Re: Brexit

Meanwhile, in the "its nothing to do with brexit" car news:

Vauxhall Astra: Ellesmere Port manufacture 'depends on Brexit'

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It said the decision on the allocation to the Ellesmere Port plant "will be conditional on the final terms of the UK's exit from the European Union and the acceptance of the New Vehicle Agreement, which has been negotiated with the Unite trade union"
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Nothing to do with Brexit.
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If you don't have time to read the article, Vauxhall are saying no deal = no Ellesmere Port car assembly.
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Re: Brexit

Bit late to be moaning about car factories considering some of them decided to bugger off before the Brexit thing started

They'll all come rushing back when they find our wages are suddenly lower than those in Slovakia etc
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If you don't have time to read the article, Vauxhall are saying no deal = no Ellesmere Port car assembly.
What they are saying is they want frictionless trade.

So does the EU, by the way.
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Old 28-06-2019, 17:42   #3713
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What they are saying is they want frictionless trade.

So does the EU, by the way.
The EU want frictionless trade on their terms and those terms come at a severe (unacceptable) price, OB.
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It's all about 'belief' Dave, facts mean nothing.

Clearly you are an unbeliever, however you will be blamed for 'negative vibes' when it all doesn't work out....
Some interesting vibes here though from a Anonymous Civil Servant..

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rexit#comments
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Some interesting vibes here though from a Anonymous Civil Servant..

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rexit#comments
A depressing read, Den

I know some of us have different opinions on this subject ( ) but this current situation is unprecedented. At a point in time where the risk is highest and the stakes never more profound, we have 2 men pandering to the whims of a severely unrepresentative, extremist electorate.

The consolation is that they are, at the end of the day, just politicians and so will never do what they are currently promising.
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Some interesting vibes here though from a Anonymous Civil Servant..

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rexit#comments
A rambling article that does not justify the writer's fears of no deal. A whinge, basically that supports the allegation of the Civil Service being biased away from Brexit.
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A rambling article that does not justify the writer's fears of no deal. A whinge, basically that supports the allegation of the Civil Service being biased away from Brexit.
You do realise the Civil Service have legal obligations to serve ministers with objectivity and impartiality unless of course you think they are biased.
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A depressing read, Den

I know some of us have different opinions on this subject ( ) but this current situation is unprecedented. At a point in time where the risk is highest and the stakes never more profound, we have 2 men pandering to the whims of a severely unrepresentative, extremist electorate.

The consolation is that they are, at the end of the day, just politicians and so will never do what they are currently promising.
You have made a disgraceful and highly offensive remark. I am a Conservative Party member and you have labelled me as "extremist". At least you have sort of met me on this forum and can form an opinion of the degree of extremism (what is "extremism"?) that I represent - but you will need to explain that.


On the general point you have just made, you appear to wilfully neglect how the system works. We elect a number of MPs and the Queen invites the leader of the party with the highest member count to form a government (based on a recommendation of the outgoing PM). When/if a PM resigns, the Parliament is still in force and the new party leader is usually invited by the Queen to form a government. Then democracy kicks in and a vote of confidence must take place in Parliament.


It's debateable with this shower of MPs as to whether or not this is true democracy, because Labour's Brexit wrecking scheme is just a route to power and far from sincere on Brexit.

Anyway, at least retract your "extremist" remark.


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You do realise the Civil Service have legal obligations to serve ministers with objectivity and impartiality unless of course you think they are biased.
I do think that the Civil Service is biased, much the same as the BBC, btw.
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You have made a disgraceful and highly offensive remark. I am a Conservative Party member and you have labelled me as "extremist". At least you have sort of met me on this forum and can form an opinion of the degree of extremism (what is "extremism"?) that I represent - but you will need to explain that.
You are a sample of one, my assessment was from a sample of many:

Most Conservative members would see party destroyed to achieve Brexit

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So dedicated to accomplishing Brexit are Tory members that a majority (54%) would be willing to countenance the destruction of their own party if necessary. Only a third (36%) put the party’s preservation above steering Britain out of the EU.

Party members are also willing to sacrifice another fundamental tenet of Conservative belief in order to bring about Brexit: unionism.* Asked whether they would rather avert Brexit if it would lead to Scotland or Northern Ireland breaking away from the UK, respectively 63% and 59% of party members would be willing to pay for Brexit with the breakup of the United Kingdom.
This is the audience that Johnson & Hunt pander to. "Extremist" seems an appropriate label for what they are prepared to accept to achieve their goal.

BTW, I do not think a "vote of confidence must take place in Parliament" after a new PM is appointed. This would be dictated by the political circumstances at the time.
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You are a sample of one, my assessment was from a sample of many:

Most Conservative members would see party destroyed to achieve Brexit



This is the audience that Johnson & Hunt pander to. "Extremist" seems an appropriate label for what they are prepared to accept to achieve their goal.

BTW, I do not think a "vote of confidence must take place in Parliament" after a new PM is appointed. This would be dictated by the political circumstances at the time.
Or you could look at it from the principle of carrying out the wish expressed by the electorate. That is democracy and not extremist at all.

The extremists could be said to those who are seeking to overturn the democratic vote.
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