Brexit

[Angua]

Originally Posted by nomadking

If the EU rules are so good, ie washing with water and air, then why is the advice not to wash chicken at home? The study had difficulty find bugs on US chlorinated chicken.


If you sell a dangerous product, you will soon run out of customers. It doesn't make any profit in the longer term.

UK Food Standards Agency.



US CDC



EU Food Standards Agency
So the majority comes from other meats and produce.

Simple solution for anyone who does not want to be stuck with US chicken, is to stick to Organically reared chicken. Organic cannot be chlorine washed or reared in cramped stinking cages.

Still don't want their cheap inhumanely produced fowls. Would rather actively support British Farmers, rather than throw them to the wolves of a US trade deal.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Angua

Simple solution for anyone who does not want to be stuck with US chicken, is to stick to Organically reared chicken. Organic cannot be chlorine washed or reared in cramped stinking cages.

Still don't want their cheap inhumanely produced fowls. Would rather actively support British Farmers, rather than throw them to the wolves of a US trade deal.

Then buy British. Problem solved.

The cheaper US chicken would be greatly appreciated by those who find it difficult to get by.

So everyone should be happy.

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Originally Posted by Mythica

If we are just as capable then why wasn't it already a law?

Are you seriously telling us that the UK is not able to pass legislation? Leaving the EU does not in itself remove it, nor does it mean we can't change it in the future.

We can do what is best for this country after Brexit, basically.

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Originally Posted by Angua

You do realise that profit is king in the US. They would nail down everything that could prejudice sales of their chicken.

The problem is that chlorine washing is not effective enough at reducing contamination. The bugs can hide under folds of skin, only to start breeding again when conditions permit. This is why ensuring chickens are as salmonella free as possible in the first place is better. US bred chickens live in conditions that spread salmonella, campylobacter & streptococcus.

Washing chicken at home is not recommended as this spreads any contamination further with hidden spray from the washing process.

More nonsense. I feel so sorry for all those sick Americans.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The safest thing, for our health and the planet, is probably not to eat any meat. But that's probably for another thread

Not biting on your vegan menu, Mr K. Meat all the way for me. Always.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Remainers look set to vote Lib Dem and leavers for Farages party.

That is simplistic in the extreme! There will still be many leavers who vote for the Conservatives or Labour. Both are mandated to leave the EU.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Then buy British. Problem solved.

The cheaper US chicken would be greatly appreciated by those who find it difficult to get by.

So everyone should be happy.

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Are you seriously telling us that the UK is not able to pass legislation? Leaving the EU does not in itself remove it, nor does it mean we can't change it in the future.

We can do what is best for this country after Brexit, basically.

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More nonsense. I feel so sorry for all those sick Americans.

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Not biting on your vegan menu, Mr K. Meat all the way for me. Always.

You know fine well what I mean you just don't want to answer it properly. The working time directive is a positive to come from the EU. Nothing to do with us being able to pass legislation or not.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mythica

You know fine well what I mean you just don't want to answer it properly. The working time directive is a positive to come from the EU. Nothing to do with us being able to pass legislation or not.

Glad that clears that up then as your post was ambiguous.

If the GB wants to have legislation like this, Parliament is capable of passing it. Nothing magical about the EU.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Except, obviously, a second Referendum...

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Tbf it's chicken that comes from Trump's America ,if it was from Obama's America it would be fine.

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Another once in a lifetime referendum before the first one is honoured what kind of message does that send out to the people ?

Unless, of course, you’re Farage...

The leader of anti-EU UK Independence Party Nigel Farage said in a newspaper interview published on Tuesday that if the result was as close as 52-48 percent for “In”, the debate would “unfinished business”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...endum-36306681

There could be unstoppable demand for a re-run of the EU referendum if Remain wins by a narrow margin on 23 June, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Glad that clears that up then as your post was ambiguous.

If the GB wants to have legislation like this, Parliament is capable of passing it. Nothing magical about the EU.

No it wasn't

Mick said -

"they do not provide any benefit to our country either."

I said -

"So the working time directive isn't a benefit?"

Mick said -

"we don't need to remain a member of the EU to keep"

I said -

"If we weren't part of the EU, we might have never had it to begin with."

You said -

"Ridiculous question, Mythica. We are just as capable of enacting laws that are good for us."

I said -

"If we are just as capable then why wasn't it already a law?"

You said -

"Are you seriously telling us that the UK is not able to pass legislation? Leaving the EU does not in itself remove it, nor does it mean we can't change it in the future."

I said -

"The working time directive is a positive to come from the EU. Nothing to do with us being able to pass legislation or not."

There is nothing ambiguous about that.

I never said parliament couldn't pass such a law. I said the working time directive was a benefit to come from the EU as Mick said the EU had no benefits. I asked a question that if we were capable then why wasn't it already a law which in itself is a good question as something like the working time directive is a valuable piece of law for workers. Something which we MIGHT not have if it wasn't for the EU.

Truly we have plumbed new depths of pedantry.

It’s pretty obvious - to me at least - what Mick’s point was. If we are capable of making our own laws, and prioritising which pieces of legislation are more important, and electing governments on manifestos designed to test what the public thinks is most important, then an organisation is not offering us a benefit by seeking to replicate that capability, least of all when that organisation is trying to write legislation that simultaneously fits the social and legal situations of 28 different countries.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Chris

Truly we have plumbed new depths of pedantry.

It’s pretty obvious - to me at least - what Mick’s point was. If we are capable of making our own laws, and prioritising which pieces of legislation are more important, and electing governments on manifestos designed to test what the public thinks is most important, then an organisation is not offering us a benefit by seeking to replicate that capability, least of all when that organisation is trying to write legislation that simultaneously fits the social and legal situations of 28 different countries.

I disagree. Mick said "
they do not provide any benefit to our country either."

Whether or not we can make our own laws or not doesn't take away the working time directive which came from EU laws and is a benefit to millions of people in the UK.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mythica

I disagree. Mick said "
they do not provide any benefit to our country either."

Whether or not we can make our own laws or not doesn't take away the working time directive which came from EU laws and is a benefit to millions of people in the UK.

Some people see things as black and white. All good or all bad, it isn't that simple. To say the EU don't provide any benefit is ludicrous. Farmers subsidiies, structure funds for deprived regions, workers rights, the list is long. As with many things people will realise until it's gone. Any saving you can bet won't be as fairly distributed. I predict the rich will get richer and everyone else poorer, hence the millionaires and affluent politicians desperate for Brexit.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Some people see things as black and white. All good or all bad, it isn't that simple. To say the EU don't provide any benefit is ludicrous. Farmers subsidiies, structure funds for deprived regions, workers rights, the list is long. As with many things people will realise until it's gone. Any saving you can bet won't be as fairly distributed. I predict the rich will get richer and everyone else poorer, hence the millionaires and affluent politicians desperate for Brexit.

Originally Posted by Mythica

I disagree. Mick said "
they do not provide any benefit to our country either."

Whether or not we can make our own laws or not doesn't take away the working time directive which came from EU laws and is a benefit to millions of people in the UK.

As I said: pedantry.

It is as much benefit as me owning two iPads.. No matter how much intrinsic value there is in the thing, its value to me is severely curtailed by the fact that I have one already.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Not biting on your vegan menu, Mr K. Meat all the way for me. Always.

Vegetarian OB, now Vegans are irritating I must admit

p.s. I really would vary your diet a bit !

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Chris

As I said: pedantry.

It is as much benefit as me owning two iPads.. No matter how much intrinsic value there is in the thing, its value to me is severely curtailed by the fact that I have one already.

How is it pedantry when someone says the EU provides no benefits to then point out a benefit that the EU brought to the UK?

Your analogy would work if the working time directive already existed as it does now before the EU law was brought in, but it didn't so it doesn't work.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mythica

How is it pedantry when someone says the EU provides no benefits to then point out a benefit that the EU brought to the UK?

Your analogy would work if the working time directive already existed as it does now before the EU law was brought in, but it didn't so it doesn't work.

'Pedantry' a valid point, which I wish to ignore. ©Oxford English Dictionary.

It’s the legislative process I’m talking about. We have a functioning one already. I’m not surprised the EU Parliament is more valued elsewhere; every other country in the EU, with only a very few exceptions, has been ruled by dictatorship within living memory.

The point about the WTD is a logical extension of that point. No matter how much intrinsic value it has, it is nothing we couldn’t have done ourselves. Neither does the fact we didn’t do it prove anything; in many cases these things are discussed for years in Brussels before finally being agreed and there is therefore no incentive for the British government to press ahead with its own domestic legislation.