UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

The EU needs us far more.

Plus put the Royal Navy in our fishing waters and kick out any fishing vessels we want.

Especially thos big buggers that can take the entire stock with one sweep.

What Royal Navy ? It's been cut back massively in recent years and has more important things to do than guard fish. Even when we did have a Navy we lost the 'Cod Wars' to the mighty Iceland....

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

What Royal Navy ? It's been cut back massively in recent years and has more important things to do than guard fish. Even when we did have a Navy we lost the 'Cod Wars' to the mighty Iceland....

UK to strengthen sea patrols to ward off post-Brexit fishing wars

https://www.theguardian.com/business...t-fishing-wars

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

EU's requirements don't seem to be going down too well with BoJo. To the Government's credit, it's made a strong case but the UK has handed the negotiating edge to the EU by insisting upon a December deadline.
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...nable-11935283

Looks good to me. If the EU want to play the game they don't have long to pass the ball . . and I think we all know the result if they insist on keeping it

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

EU's requirements don't seem to be going down too well with BoJo. To the Government's credit, it's made a strong case but the UK has handed the negotiating edge to the EU by insisting upon a December deadline.
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...nable-11935283

So, maybe the obvious thing would be for the UK to ramp up relationships with other countries, to put some pressure on the EU?
The opposite has happened!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial
Maybe like the EU does, the rest of world just needs to understand that need us more than we need them, and they'll have to come knocking on our door?

We should simply walk away until they face reality. The introduction of the backstop only applies if the EU shows "good faith" in the negotiations. Little sign of that, so goodbye backstop.

[Sephiroth]

Andrew's contribution above is tinged with Remainer sentiment. So I'll add Leavers' sentiment to what's going on.

The Guvmin is basically saying that we are a sovereign nation and must not have its laws and regulations dictated by the EU. Never mind that collectively they are bigger than we are - we must stand our ground and take complete control of our destiny.

We aren't going to go hungry (as one contributor said earlier in this thread) and if the EU are frightened of our potential competitive edge, then we should exploit that and to hell with them.

The December deadline is exactly right. The EU would otherwise drag things on as they did before. This time, we mean it - I hope.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

We should simply walk away until they face reality. The introduction of the backstop only applies if the EU shows "good faith" in the negotiations. Little sign of that, so goodbye backstop.

I think BoJo got rid of the backstop

Boris Johnson was praised by his Tory MPs in the Commons today for abolishing the backstop that had doomed Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreements.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...resa-May-viral

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think BoJo got rid of the backstop

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...resa-May-viral

AFAIK it's just in a different form.
Link

Technical adaptations to the Withdrawal Agreement following the revision of the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland as agreed at negotiators’ level
ARTICLE 184
Negotiations on the future relationship
The Union and the United Kingdom shall use their best endeavours, in good faith and in full respect of their respective legal orders, to take the necessary steps to negotiate expeditiously the agreements governing their future relationship referred to in the Political Declaration of [XX] October 2019 and to conduct the relevant procedures for the ratification or conclusion of those agreements, with a view to ensuring that those agreements apply, to the extent possible, as from the end of the transition period.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

AFAIK it's just in a different form.
Link

I cannot in any way read into what you quoted as comprising a Backstop of any kind.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I cannot in any way read into what you quoted as comprising a Backstop of any kind.

The detail is in the rest of the document. It is only about NI, so if everything about the backstop has gone, what is there to negotiate separately on? Whatever arrangements there are in that document can be ignored in the future, if a lack of good faith is demonstrated.


From 2 page explainer on the protocol.

7. Both parties therefore believe that the backstop protects both the EU single market and the UK
internal market without prejudice to the future UK-EU relationship, as set out in the December
Joint UK-EU Report, and respecting the overarching requirement to avoid a hard border.

[Sephiroth]

Looks to me that it’s some careless text that slipped through the revision process.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Looks to me that it’s some careless text that slipped through the revision process.

It's still 63 pages of special rules involving NI, if no alternatives are set in place by the end of this year. That is what the term "backstop" refers to.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

It's still 63 pages of special rules involving NI, if no alternatives are set in place by the end of this year. That is what the term "backstop" refers to.

However, nothing in the Withdrawal Agreement binds the UK to anything, let alone in relation to the Backstop.

You seem to think otherwise. Can you be very clear as to how the Backstop is obligatory?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

However, nothing in the Withdrawal Agreement binds the UK to anything, let alone in relation to the Backstop.

You seem to think otherwise. Can you be very clear as to how the Backstop is obligatory?

The Withdrawal Agreement is legally binding, it's the Political Declaration that isn't.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think BoJo got rid of the backstop

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...resa-May-viral

So Boris did get rid of the Backstop.

As he seems to be an accomplished liar, he wouldn't care if the Backstop appeared in the political protocol, especially if there will be no trade agreement made.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So Boris did get rid of the Backstop.

As he seems to be an accomplished liar, he wouldn't care if the Backstop appeared in the political protocol, especially if there will be no trade agreement made.

One of the key differences is that the "unless and until" part has gone, and NI can independently of the EU and GB decide to end the arrangements.

Article 18
Democratic consent in Northern Ireland
1. Within 2 months before the end of both the initial period and any subsequent period, the United Kingdom shall provide the opportunity for democratic consent in Northern Ireland to the continued application of Articles 5 to 10.

The backstop has gone, but a backstop is still there.