UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51453189

The government has told businesses frictionless trade with the EU will end this year with the introduction of import checks at the UK border.

EU trade will not be waved through with zero checks which had been the plan under a no-deal Brexit.
Traders will not be able to use special arrangements to lodge new paperwork after a grace period at a later date.

Officials said firms will have enough notice to prepare for changes in time for 1 January.

Cabinet Minister Michael Gove told attendees at a Border Delivery Group event: "The UK will be outside the single market and outside the customs union, so we will have to be ready for the customs procedures and regulatory checks that will inevitably follow."

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51453189

Well that is the biggest 'well duh' moment but at least it's good that Government representatives are now admitting that there will be friction...

For the company I work for, we are 'no deal' ready with the IT and customs infrastructure in place as we have obviously come close a couple of times already. The big unknowns are what effects customs holdups will be and being able to get a good handle on resourcing needed in terms of people and time

[Mr K]

Has the penny dropped yet?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes nothing reeks more of getting your country back, freedom and not being governed by foreigners more than surrendering your ability to sustain yourself with homegrown food. Looks like Patrick bloody Minford was right for just about the first time in his life, we will have to sacrifice agriculture and manufacturing as well on the brexit alter

My reference to the corn laws was deliberate. The protectionism they entailed placed an unnecessary drag on the economy, and their eventual removal made food cheaper, thereby improving living standards and allowing more disposable income to be spent elsewhere. The whole British economy benefited. Protectionism is always shortsighted in the end.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

My reference to the corn laws was deliberate. The protectionism they entailed placed an unnecessary drag on the economy, and their eventual removal made food cheaper, thereby improving living standards and allowing more disposable income to be spent elsewhere. The whole British economy benefited. Protectionism is always shortsighted in the end.

And yet the whole world indulges in protectionism, I'd go as far as saying we are already the least protectionist country in the world, going even further by removing the means to feed ourselves doesn't seem shortsighted to me, it seems reckless

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

And yet the whole world indulges in protectionism, I'd go as far as saying we are already the least protectionist country in the world, going even further by removing the means to feed ourselves doesn't seem shortsighted to me, it seems reckless

As an EU member, we were placed an equal 51st in the world in terms of tariffs using the weighted mean which takes into account what we actually import. The weighted mean was 1.79%

The proposed UK tariff schedule in front of the WTO is about 1.6% weighted mean which would put us 18th on this measure of protectionism.

There are plenty of less protectionist countries than the UK including some quite big players such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Mexico and Chile

EDIT - source material - https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/ind...AR.ZS/rankings

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

As an EU member, we were placed an equal 51st in the world in terms of tariffs using the weighted mean which takes into account what we actually import. The weighted mean was 1.79%

The proposed UK tariff schedule in front of the WTO is about 1.6% weighted mean which would put us 18th on this measure of protectionism.

There are plenty of less protectionist countries than the UK including some quite big players such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Mexico and Chile

EDIT - source material - https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/ind...AR.ZS/rankings

That's in terms of trade alone, I doubt those countries are as keen as us to sell of key infrastructure, industries and assests to the highest bidder.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

As an EU member, we were placed an equal 51st in the world in terms of tariffs using the weighted mean which takes into account what we actually import. The weighted mean was 1.79%

The proposed UK tariff schedule in front of the WTO is about 1.6% weighted mean which would put us 18th on this measure of protectionism.

There are plenty of less protectionist countries than the UK including some quite big players such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Mexico and Chile

EDIT - source material - https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/ind...AR.ZS/rankings

If you accept that less protectionism makes countries richer, then will the greater protectionism that Brexit heralds make us poorer?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

That's in terms of trade alone, I doubt those countries are as keen as us to sell of key infrastructure, industries and assests to the highest bidder.

Oh, for sure. Free movement of goods is just one aspect of a non-protectionist country. There's also free movement of services, money and people but we tried that and didn't like it

[Mr K]

. A Brexiteer who was forced to wait in an immigration queue at an EU airport in Amsterdam has complained that "this isn’t the Brexit I voted for”.

Colin Browning, who described himself as one of the 17.4 million people who voted for Brexit, said he was forced to wait for nearly an hour at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol before his passport was checked.

Absolutely disgusting service at Schiphol airport. 55 minutes we have been stood in the immigration queue. This isn’t the Brexit I voted for,” he wrote on Twitter.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9335281.html

Oh dear, what a pity, never mind !

Originally Posted by Mr K

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9335281.html

Oh dear, what a pity, never mind !

Ah, the “Independent”, never letting the facts get in the way of a good story.

Paragraph 10:

However, it is unlikely that current delays have been caused by Brexit as the UK is currently in a transition period with the EU during which travel arrangements will not change until January 2021.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

Ah, the “Independent”, never letting the facts get in the way of a good story.

Paragraph 10:

Colin sounds intelligent though, so why is he blaming Brexit ?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Colin sounds intelligent though, so why is he blaming Brexit ?

Maybe because he's a bit like you - just that he voted Leave.
Whingers will blame anything when put out.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Ah, the “Independent”, never letting the facts get in the way of a good story.

Paragraph 10:

If that was the case then the site wouldn't have put in that sentence. Looks like the Leaver was jumping to conclusions and The Independent kindly pointed out the error of his ways.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If that was the case then the site wouldn't have put in that sentence. Looks like the Leaver was jumping to conclusions and The Independent kindly pointed out the error of his ways.

So you actually have no idea what impression the Independent wishes to convey then? You really think this is a straight and even reporting of facts and nothing more?