Coronavirus (OLD)

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

If people don't do as they are told, they have said that nothing is off the table, including forced containment. I presume this to mean that they will use the police and the army to force people into isolation. Those with the virus who refuse to co-operate.will have their liberty to freely walk about withdrawn.

I don't want anything like martial law but posts like the below demonstrate why we might have a problem in this country with people who think they know better.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Well I went to the local for my normal pint or two and there were the usual regulars. People still going into the restaurant section for food.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

If people don't do as they are told, they have said that nothing is off the table, including forced containment. I presume this to mean that they will use the police and the army to force people into isolation. Those with the virus who refuse to co-operate.will have their liberty to freely walk about withdrawn.

A law for that was set in place more than a month ago.
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020

Detention of persons by the Secretary of State or a registered public health consultant
4.—(1) Where Condition A or B is met in relation to a person (“P”), the Secretary of State or a registered public health consultant may, for the purposes of screening, assessment and the imposition of any restrictions or requirements under regulation 5, impose on P a requirement to be detained until the later of—

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by denphone

l agree as this is not a time for party politics as this grave crisis and the consequences of it outweigh petty politics.

Too right Den. I don't like Johnson or the current Tory Government, but this is not the time for politics or any other disagreements of any kind.

A lot of people are saying that the government & the public are overeacting because only a small amount will actually die.

They're now saying that up to 80% will get the virus. Yes, most won't die, but if an enourmous amount of people are incapacitated at any one time (especially if it's found that people who have had it can get it again) before a vaccine is found, society will quickly collapse. Anyone who'se had proper flu knows that you are totally unable to function.

What if there aren't enough experienced people to run power, water plants etc? What if sewage plants, bin collections are affected? Councils have already said that bin collections may have to be reduced or suspended. What impact will rubbish in the streets, or sewage backing up have on an already sick population?

As the chancellor said today, we are in a health and economic emergency and I applaud him for forgetting about Conservative ideology and intervening to try and stop the economy collapsing. Labour were critiscised by the Torys for borrowing so much money to bail out the banks to protect capitalism, yet the Torys are now doing the same thing and going against what they stand for because it's not only the right thing to do, it's the only chance we've got.

Now, if we get through this economically, and suffer many deaths on the way and a vaccine is found, what then for those who survive?

Our debts will be insurmountable, families will have lost loved ones, the streets could be filthy, there could be no power, water, gas,there could be riots and lootings- the government is already afraid of food riots and civil disobedience as it is. Many, many businesses will have closed, so unemployment will be rife. Life will be very different for those who survive.

And if we don't find a vaccine, I genuinely think that we could be facing extinction as a species.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by downquark1

In France you now need to fill out a form any time you want to leave the house. Fines for people found without the form.

They're not having people asking for permission to leave the home. It is merely filling out and printing an online form or even creating a handwritten version, explaining why they are outside.

Originally Posted by Mr K

You still don't get it. The real figure will be massively higher.

Dont patronize me you annoying little twerp.


Some figures from a site I found thats tracking confirmed numbers.

Worldwide Confirmed Cases : 197,185 : Deaths 7,905 : Recovered 80,840.

Of course, as Mr Obvious likes to point out, total numbers will be higher.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

And if we don't find a vaccine, I genuinely think that we could be facing extinction as a species.

Umm, you do realise that the majority recover, right ?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul

Dont patronize me you annoying little twerp.


Some figures from a site I found thats tracking confirmed numbers.

Worldwide Confirmed Cases : 197,185 : Deaths 7,905 : Recovered 80,840.

Of course, as Mr Obvious likes to point out, total numbers will be higher.

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Umm, you do realise that the majority recover, right ?

But if they can get it again and again and huge swathes of the working population are continually off work in cycles, leading to little to no economic prosperity and rubbish/sewage is present (leading to further disease) or there is no electricity, internet etc I think that we will, at best, be massively reduced in number.

[RichardCoulter]

Re: Sainsburys:

- Disabled & over 70's to get priority access to delivery slots.

- Elderly & vulnerable customers to be given special times when only they can shop.

- From this Thursday all cafes, pizza, fish & meat counters will be suspended.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Re: Sainsburys:

- Disabled & over 70's to get priority access to delivery slots.

- Elderly & vulnerable customers to be given special times when only they can shop.

- From this Thursday all cafes, pizza, fish & meat counters will be suspended.

How do you prove it online? I have physical documentation.


Is it going to be silly peak times of day when everybody else is travelling on public transport?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by nomadking

How do you prove it online? I have physical documentation.


Is it going to be silly peak times of day when everybody else is travelling on public transport?

Indeed as that was exactly my chain of thought.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by nomadking

How do you prove it online? I have physical documentation.


Is it going to be silly peak times of day when everybody else is travelling on public transport?

I don't know, they've said that eligible people will be contacted shortly......but how will they know? I don't think they know our dates of birth and won't have details of who is or isn't disabled.

Edit: I've copy/pasted it for you to read:


I wrote to you last week to tell you about some of the steps we are taking to support increased demand for food and other essential items.

After I wrote to you last week, many of you replied. You wrote to share your concerns about our elderly and vulnerable customers and to ask if we can do more to restrict the number of items each person can buy. I have listened to feedback from you and from Sainsbury's colleagues across the country and wanted to share some of the extra steps we are taking to make sure everyone has access to the items that they need:

A number of you suggested that we reserve an hour in stores for elderly and vulnerable customers. In response to this request, we will set aside the first hour in every supermarket this Thursday 19th March, for elderly and vulnerable customers. I hope that you can respect this decision and will work with us as we try our best to help those that need it the most. If you or an elderly family member, friend or neighbour would like to shop during this hour, please check online for your local supermarket opening hours.

We will also help elderly and vulnerable customers access food online. From Monday 23rd March, our online customers who are over 70 years of age or have a disability will have priority access to online delivery slots. We will contact these customers in the coming days with more details.

For any online customer who can travel to our stores, from Monday 23rd March, we will operate an expanded 'click and collect' service. We are significantly increasing the number of collection sites across the country over the coming days in preparation for this. Customers can place their order online as usual and pick it up from a collection point in the store car park. We believe this will also work for people who are self-isolating.

As we work to feed the nation, we are also focusing all of our efforts on getting as much food and other essential items from our suppliers, into our warehouses and onto shelves as we possibly can. We still have enough food for everyone - if we all just buy what we need for us and our families.

To help us get more essential items onto the shelves, from this Thursday 19th March, we will be closing our cafes and our meat, fish and pizza counters in supermarkets. This means we can free up warehouse and lorry capacity for products that customers really need. It will also free up time for our store colleagues to focus on keeping the shelves as well stocked as possible.

I mentioned last week that we had put limits on a very small number of products. Following feedback from our customers and from our store colleagues, we have decided to put restrictions on a larger number of products. From tomorrow, Wednesday 18th March, customers will be able to buy a maximum of three of any grocery product and a maximum of two on the most popular products including toilet paper, soap and UHT milk. We have enough food coming into the system, but are limiting sales so that it stays on shelves for longer and can be bought by a larger numbers of customers.

Finally, I wanted to end by saying a huge thank you to Sainsbury's colleagues across the business. Everyone is working flat out in difficult circumstances to do their best to serve our customers. If you're able to say thank you to them when you see them, I know they would hugely appreciate it.

Best wishes

Mike

[denphone]

But how do they know who is eligible?.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by denphone

But how do they know who is eligible?.

It doesn't say, it only says that "we will contact these customers in the coming days"!?!?

[nomadking]

Evening Standard article

All its stores will only open to these two groups for the first hour of trading on Thursday, but will open for an hour longer so other shoppers do not miss out.
...
Sainsbury's has now said customers over 70 and those with a disability will also have priority access to online delivery slots from Monday and the chain is also expanding its "click and collect" service.

So I'd have to get there by 7am. If currently the delivery slots are already full, it's going to take a while for any future priority slots to become available. I suppose they have a few days to work it out.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Evening Standard article
So I'd have to get there by 7am. If currently the delivery slots are already full, it's going to take a while for any future priority slots to become available. I suppose they have a few days to work it out.

Can you use your pass at that time?

There is now a holding queue to get onto the Ocado site....

Amazon has now said that it is to suspend non essential orders:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...us-until-april

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Can you use your pass at that time?

There is now a holding queue to get onto the Ocado site....

Amazon has now said that it is to suspend non essential orders:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...us-until-april

No, but for me it wouldn't be a big financial problem. As it's a disability one it would act as proof of eligibility. Not sure what the criteria for other people would be.


IIRC Amazon have said if they already have something in the warehouse you can order it. They are prioritising warehouse space.