26-11-2020, 12:33
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Re: U.S Election 2020
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But Trump fired Flynn after it emerged that he had discussed lifting sanctions on Russia with Moscow's ambassador to Washington before Mr Trump took office, and misled the vice-president about that conversation.
These were the same lies Flynn told the FBI, and that he pled guilty to.
Are you saying he lied about lying to VP Pence?
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You're talking about events that happened at the time, some of us have learned a lot since then, so have the Trump Administration. It's all very immaterial.
Trump and Pence were mislead by corrupt officials, to get rid of Flynn, remember Obama fired Flynn and told Trump not to hire him, Trump immediately gave him a job, ignoring his predecessor.
Flynn phoned several foreign leaders during Trump's transition period, he was doing his job, basically like Biden's team is doing now. There is the Logan Act which forbids anyone to act as a U.S Government representative that does not currently hold the power shape U.S Foreign policy. If Flynn is guilty of breaching Logan Act, then so is Biden as he is already interfering in our UK Brexit affairs.
But nobody has ever been charged with breaching said act.
Basically, all Flynn did was lie to the FBI, that was the only thing Mueller had leverage on him for, to get to Trump, Mueller spectacularly failed and the hoax investigation was terminated, quite rightfully, by the current U.S Attorney General, William Barr. If Andy McCabe can lie and lack candor and get away with it, if several DNC associates and Hillary Clinton herself, lie and get away with it, then why should Flynn be persecuted for something as trivial as just lying like the others, I said above did.
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26-11-2020, 13:20
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Re: U.S Election 2020
What about Flynn's failure to register as an agent of Turkey in 2016, a crime to which he admitted as part of his plea agreement?
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26-11-2020, 13:25
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Re: U.S Election 2020
Immaterial - now that he's now been pardoned.
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26-11-2020, 13:31
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Re: U.S Election 2020
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Immaterial - now that he's now been pardoned.
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Well it's a criticism of the pardon right?
Personally I think it's better for all concerned if Trump just pardons everyone and then Biden's administration won't be beset by further questions over former administration officials. If anything comes up then Trump's pardon has dealt with it, end of story.
We don't want the next four years to be about this with every DOJ action having questions on if it's politically motivated or not.
Biden should appoint a standard AG, stay the hell away from the DOJ and let everything move on.
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26-11-2020, 15:32
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However much we want to criticise presidential pardon powers, it's there given by the Founding Fathers. The U.S Constitution that Justice officials and all agencies swore to uphold, not just parts of it, as you have mentioned, all presidents issue controversial pardons, President Bill Clinton issued his own brother one-that one raised a few eyebrows.
The power though can remove injustices and Flynn's was under an injustice.
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26-11-2020, 16:27
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So far, Trump has granted clemency less frequently than any president in modern history
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...odern-history/
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26-11-2020, 17:24
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Re: U.S Election 2020
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However much we want to criticise presidential pardon powers, it's there given by the Founding Fathers.
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Yet another thing they did wrong. Along with Independence itself. 
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26-11-2020, 18:37
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Yet another thing they did wrong. Along with Independence itself. |
I don't reckon much to their constitution. The right to shoot each other if they feel like it, and the right of the those in power to pardon themselves and their mates...
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26-11-2020, 19:03
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Yet another thing they did wrong. Along with Independence itself. |
And the "3/5ths" clause (Article I, Section 2)
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26-11-2020, 19:31
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I don't reckon much to their constitution. The right to shoot each other if they feel like it, and the right of the those in power to pardon themselves and their mates...
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They would have added it as a check on the courts no doubt. They really did like to add more institutions and more checks wherever they could.
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27-11-2020, 11:02
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Re: U.S Election 2020
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I don't reckon much to their constitution. The right to shoot each other if they feel like it, and the right of the those in power to pardon themselves and their mates...
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Strangely, that sounds like many of the places they've been at war with
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27-11-2020, 11:03
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Strangely, that sounds like many of the places they've been at war with |
Don't you mean "introduced democracy to"? 
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27-11-2020, 11:10
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Don't you mean "introduced democracy to"? |
oh yeah, only room for one lot of God & Gun crazy nutters on the planet I guess
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27-11-2020, 17:58
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Trump appeal in Pennsylvania denied (by three Republican judges, judgement written by Trump-appointed judge).
https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...0/11/Trump.pdf
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Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.
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Nor does the Campaign deserve an injunction to undo Pennsylvania’s certification of its votes. The Campaign’s claims have no merit. The number of ballots it specifically challenges is far smaller than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. And it never claims fraud or that any votes were cast by illegal voters. Plus, tossing out millions of mail-in ballots would be drastic and unprecedented, disenfranchising a huge swath of the electorate and upsetting all down-ballot races too. That remedy would be grossly disproportionate to the procedural challenges raised. So we deny the motion for an injunction pending appeal.
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And the Campaign’s charges are selective. Though Pennsylvanians cast 2.6 million mail-in ballots, the Campaign challenges 1.5 million of them. It cherry-picks votes cast in “Democratic-heavy counties” but not “those in Republican-heavy counties.” Without compelling evidence of massive fraud, not even alleged here, we can hardly grant such lopsided relief.
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27-11-2020, 18:11
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Re: U.S Election 2020
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no surprise because they got no evidence as proved in all other court cases they lost
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