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Old 18-05-2020, 17:53   #3466
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Re: Coronavirus

Where do you get 3 from ?
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Old 18-05-2020, 18:07   #3467
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Which strain will it protect against? One? Or all 3?
As far as I understand Covid-19 is the name of the infection caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Virus. It has been reported that there may be several different strains of Covid-19

https://virologydownunder.com/covid-...sars-cov-2-is/

Although there are several mutations of Covid-19 it is the SARS-CoV-2 Virus that is being used to find an antibodies test and vaccine and this virus has not mutated.

http://www.labnews.co.uk/article/203...as-not-mutated
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Old 18-05-2020, 22:24   #3468
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US President Donald Trump has said he is taking hydroxychloroquine - which health officials have warned may be unsafe - to ward off coronavirus.
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Old 19-05-2020, 03:52   #3469
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Re: Coronavirus

Most drug treatments may be unsafe.
I guess he decided catching CV19 was even more unsafe.

According to Wikipedia ;

"As of 22 April 2020, there is limited evidence to support the use of hydroxychloroquine."

Also, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) has apparently begun a trial of the medication.
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Old 19-05-2020, 07:58   #3470
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Also, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) has apparently begun a trial of the medication.
For treatment of people that already have Covid-19, not as a prophylactic

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...treat-covid-19
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Study participants must have confirmed infection with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, and be experiencing fever, cough and/or shortness of breath
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The main objective of the study is to determine whether hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin can prevent hospitalization and death due to COVID-19. Additionally, investigators will evaluate the safety and tolerability of the experimental treatment for people with SARS-CoV-2 infection.
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Old 19-05-2020, 09:10   #3471
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He should definitely keep taking the tablets.
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Re: Coronavirus

This hydroxychloroquine stuff is really eye opening, they sell boat loads of it to Africa for Malaria but suddenly it's the most dangerous substance on earth.
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Old 19-05-2020, 13:29   #3473
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This hydroxychloroquine stuff is really eye opening, they sell boat loads of it to Africa for Malaria but suddenly it's the most dangerous substance on earth.
of course it is, because Trump says it is safe. It's simple really.
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Old 19-05-2020, 13:49   #3474
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This hydroxychloroquine stuff is really eye opening, they sell boat loads of it to Africa for Malaria but suddenly it's the most dangerous substance on earth.
"for Malaria*" is the crux of the matter, not for COVID-19 - in fact, the European Medicines Agency stated last month

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Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are known to potentially cause heart rhythm problems, and these could be exacerbated if treatment is combined with other medicines, such as the antibiotic azithromycin, that have similar effects on the heart.

Recent studies1,2 have reported serious, in some cases fatal, heart rhythm problems with chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, particularly when taken at high doses or in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin.

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are currently authorised for treating malaria and certain autoimmune diseases. In addition to side effects affecting the heart, they are known to potentially cause liver and kidney problems, nerve cell damage that can lead to seizures (fits) and low blood sugar (hypoglycaemia).

These medicines are being used in the context of the ongoing pandemic for treating patients with COVID-19 and investigated in clinical trials. However, clinical data are still very limited and inconclusive, and the beneficial effects of these medicines in COVID-19 have not been demonstrated. Results from large, well-designed studies are needed to make any conclusions.

Some clinical trials currently investigating the effectiveness of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID-19 use higher doses than those recommended for the authorised indications. While serious side effects can occur with recommended doses, higher doses can increase the risk of these side effects, including abnormal electrical activity that affects the heart rhythm (QT-prolongation).
There is no consistent scientific proof this will prevent COVID-19 (and small mixed results on treating COVID-19 infection).



*treating malaria, not preventing it, also to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis
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Old 19-05-2020, 13:51   #3475
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This hydroxychloroquine stuff is really eye opening, they sell boat loads of it to Africa for Malaria but suddenly it's the most dangerous substance on earth.
Somebody calling in to LBC said that this Hydropoxy stuff cures Mellania.
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"for Malaria*" is the crux of the matter.

There is no consistent scientific proof this will prevent COVID-19 (and small mixed results on treating COVID-19 infection).



*treating malaria, not preventing it, also to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis
Of course not, it's a new virus, doctors have to make wide guesses until a treatment is formalised.

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Somebody calling in to LBC said that this Hydropoxy stuff cures Mellania.
It doesn't really "cure" anything, it hinders the virus from gaining a foothold in the body. Basically you take it soon after or before infection and it is suppose to ensure a less sever disease.
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Of course not, it's a new virus, doctors have to make wide guesses until a treatment is formalised.
That's not how medicine works. 'Wide guesses' aren't a thing.

Trials and evidence are what guide clinical decisions.
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Of course not, it's a new virus, doctors have to make wide guesses until a treatment is formalised.

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It doesn't really "cure" anything, it hinders the virus from gaining a foothold in the body. Basically you take it soon after or before infection and it is suppose to ensure a less sever disease.
If you meant wild guesses

A) Iíd rather they didnít
B) Trump isnít a doctor
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If you meant wild guesses

A) Iíd rather they didnít
B) Trump isnít a doctor
Trump didn't pull this out of his ass (at least not quite). Some doctors were trying hydroxychloroquine because it's a cheap anti-viral agent and they are trying to stop a virus. Trump read this in some document, half remembered it and said it's a promising treatment.

It may very well do nothing or even be harmful in the cases of covid. But this idea is that it is somehow crazy to even consider it is bizarre.
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Trump didn't pull this out of his ass (at least not quite). Some doctors were trying hydroxychloroquine because it's a cheap anti-viral agent and they are trying to stop a virus. Trump read this in some document, half remembered it and said it's a promising treatment.

It may very well do nothing or even be harmful in the cases of covid. But this idea is that it is somehow crazy to even consider it is bizarre.
It’s not crazy to consider it, but he’s not considering it, he’s taking it - and, whether we like it or not, people see him as a role model and will emulate him, with potentially serious side-effects from something that has not been proven to work (and the knock on effect of lupus patients not being able to get hold of it).

If, after trials (like they are doing for vaccines), it was shown to work, fine - but that’s not what is happening here.
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