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Old 22-05-2020, 19:34   #1336
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Does anybody know what happened to the Eleven Sports streaming service.
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Old 22-05-2020, 22:33   #1337
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Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

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That’s the figure plucked from the air, yes. The “how” part is somewhat lacking.
As Hugh has reminded us, the original prediction was by 2025.
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Old 22-05-2020, 23:32   #1338
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As Hugh has reminded us, the original prediction was by 2025.
You may have misread that - OB said
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In ten years? You may be right. In 20?
2015 + 20 = 2035
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Old 22-05-2020, 23:36   #1339
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Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Well, he did say Chris 'may' be right, introducing doubt on 2025.

Interesting excerpt from the dug up post though:

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there's not a reason that I can think of why the BBC should not present all of its programmes by way of streaming in the future.
Obviously, there's a reason they can identify for BBC Three content. The analogue cable reference is interesting - obviously the cable companies saw the opportunity for more channels plus broadband using digital instead. Something that now sees them able to punt £60 a month broadband down the same lines.

What/where is the alternative usage for linear broadcast space coming from over the air and on cable?

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Does anybody know what happened to the Eleven Sports streaming service.
No idea, mate.

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Old 22-05-2020, 23:53   #1340
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What/where is the alternative usage for linear broadcast space coming from over the air and on cable?
Over the air could possibly be mobile comms.
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Old 22-05-2020, 23:57   #1341
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The radio frequencies could be reallocated for two-way communications but the broadcast infrastructure couldn’t be.
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Old 23-05-2020, 00:32   #1342
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Does anybody know what happened to the Eleven Sports streaming service.
Still doing very well in other places in the world just erm not UK lol.
I think DAZN will be a different story though as they aren't going after football so i think they'll be ok.
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Still doing very well in other places in the world just erm not UK lol.
I think DAZN will be a different story though as they aren't going after football so i think they'll be ok.
To be honest, whether it's by broadband, cable, aerial or satellite, most sport is viewed live and live = linear.
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To be honest, whether it's by broadband, cable, aerial or satellite, most sport is viewed live and live = linear.
Exactly.
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To be honest, whether it's by broadband, cable, aerial or satellite, most sport is viewed live and live = linear.

I agree most people watch sport live on linear channels.

I am certain those who watch at a later date or time-shifted want to watch the whole match not a few minutes highlights as supplied on catch-up - this requires recording and means linear.

I sometimes watch a live game on the extra channels - it is a bit like going to the game, no pause for a comfort break/getting a new beer, no replays.

Basically, the overall experience is not as good as what people are used to.
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Old 23-05-2020, 17:27   #1346
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Does anybody know what happened to the Eleven Sports streaming service.
It wasn't successful here, but it operates in other countries.

My focus for the UK is on the larger streaming companies such as Amazon and DAZN.

The failure of Eleven Sports to carry through their sports streaming service is no more relevant in assessing the likelihood of a similar service not being successful in the future than the demise of the Setanta live sports channel was in this country.
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It wasn't successful here, but it operates in other countries.

My focus for the UK is on the larger streaming companies such as Amazon and DAZN.

The failure of Eleven Sports to carry through their sports streaming service is no more relevant in assessing the likelihood of a similar service not being successful in the future than the demise of the Setanta live sports channel was in this country.
Why is Eleven Sports' failure not relevant? Because it doesn't fit your prediction of a long march to a glorious streaming future?
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To be honest, whether it's by broadband, cable, aerial or satellite, most sport is viewed live and live = linear.
You can also watch live on the BBC i-Player. There is nothing magical that restricts live viewing to a conventional TV channel.

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Why is Eleven Sports' failure not relevant? Because it doesn't fit your prediction of a long march to a glorious streaming future?
I didn't say it was 'not relevant', Chris, I said it was 'no more relevant' than the fate of Setanta.

Just because one company fails does not mean another company cannot make it work.

Sky very nearly went under in the early days.

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Yes - in this thread, post #303 from 2018.



But 5 years ago, in another thread.
You seem to suggest that the message has changed?

It hasn't. My view is, and has been for the last five years, that our conventional channels will be no more by 2035.

I accept that some don't buy that. However, I have not yet read anything that makes me inclined to change my mind.
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DAZN is no different from Eleven, or Setanta. Hedge funds and venture capital looking for a high stakes, high risk, huge return. They’ll be first to exit the market when it doesn’t go their way - they have no background or interest in media or streaming.

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You can also watch live on the BBC i-Player. There is nothing magical that restricts live viewing to a conventional TV channel.
As long as your neighbours don’t cheer when there’s a goal on actual live television.
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You can also watch live on the BBC i-Player. There is nothing magical that restricts live viewing to a conventional TV channel.

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I didn't say it was 'not relevant', Chris, I said it was 'no more relevant' than the fate of Setanta.

Just because one company fails does not mean another company cannot make it work.

Sky very nearly went under in the early days.

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You seem to suggest that the message has changed?

It hasn't. My view is, and has been for the last five years, that our conventional channels will be no more by 2035.

I accept that some don't buy that. However, I have not yet read anything that makes me inclined to change my mind.
But wouldn’t that be linear?
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