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Old 23-05-2020, 18:06   #1351
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But wouldn’t that be linear?
Streaming is the same as linear. It's just accessed differently.
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Streaming is the same as linear. It's just accessed differently.
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DAZN is no different from Eleven, or Setanta. Hedge funds and venture capital looking for a high stakes, high risk, huge return. They’ll be first to exit the market when it doesn’t go their way - they have no background or interest in media or streaming.

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As long as your neighbours don’t cheer when there’s a goal on actual live television.
DAZN have plenty of background in streaming and media and are doing very well across Canada and USA, also Germany so i'm not sure what you mean by no experience in streaming?
However that doesn't mean they will be succesful in the UK market though.
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Old 23-05-2020, 20:10   #1354
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As long as your neighbours don’t cheer when there’s a goal on actual live television.
While it is true that latency is a problem with streaming, that is a problem today but will not be in the future.
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DAZN have plenty of background in streaming and media and are doing very well across Canada and USA, also Germany so i'm not sure what you mean by no experience in streaming?
However that doesn't mean they will be succesful in the UK market though.
They do, as did Setanta before their foray into UK sports rights. My point is that those financing it don’t. There’s no affinity to the industry - and they’ll walk if the financials don’t work where a media company might persevere.
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Dazn in need of financial rescue apparently

https://bigfightweekend.com/news/rep...e-to-covid-19/

The company appears to be valued at less than it's broadcast rights liabilities. The lack of live sport has impacted them significantly.

In the current financial climate, and a decade of global recession predicted, who is going to stump up the cash they are looking for?
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But wouldn’t that be linear?
Streaming is the same as linear. It's just accessed differently.
The thread title may need amending, then, to "Streaming is old tech - etc."
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Dazn in need of financial rescue apparently

https://bigfightweekend.com/news/rep...e-to-covid-19/

The company appears to be valued at less than it's broadcast rights liabilities. The lack of live sport has impacted them significantly.

In the current financial climate, and a decade of global recession predicted, who is going to stump up the cash they are looking for?
Looks like a troublesome week for DAZN. Just seen this too:

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020...a-rights-deal/
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They do, as did Setanta before their foray into UK sports rights. My point is that those financing it don’t. There’s no affinity to the industry - and they’ll walk if the financials don’t work where a media company might persevere.
Ah i see what you mean now and i agree with you entirely.

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Looks like a troublesome week for DAZN. Just seen this too:

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020...a-rights-deal/
Heard Comcast are sniffing around them.
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I can't see why Comcast would buy DAZN being it already owns Sky Sports and NBC Sports both of which already have streaming products and are widely distributed.
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Depends how low the price goes. There’s a sweet spot where buying DAZN could be better value than letting them fail and go back to auction (if a substantial amount of rights are of interest, and the view is the price will go up).

If though they think the sports bubble is contracting - as with Sky correctly predicting the fall in the value of Premiership despite all the Netflix and Amazon guff in the media beforehand - then going back to auction makes most sense.
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The thread title may need amending, then, to "Streaming is old tech - etc."
As you know, back in the day, the media was often using the words 'linear TV' to describe the conventional TV channels and the title of this thread reflects that.

As a matter of interest, I did start a new thread with a more appropriate title, but Chris closed it some time back.
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So linear, scheduled television will exist only the delivery method will be over the Internet?
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So linear, scheduled television will exist only the delivery method will be over the Internet?
Obviously, the live events will be scheduled as this is the nature of a live show, and these events will be streamed over the internet. All pre-recorded material such as drama, lifestyle, documentaries, etc will be viewed from the on-line on demand library, Netflix-style.

As you say repeatedly, it's still TV, but the difference is the delivery method and the ease of being able to choose what you want to watch, when you want to watch it, free of advertisements if you so desire.

Yes, I understand also that some are just happy to stick with the old channel system, but I believe that habits are gradually changing and in time the vast majority will embrace it.

There will always be stick-in-the-muds who won't budge until they have to, but I really don't believe that companies will bother with a minority who are resistent to change.

If you had your way, I'm sure we would still have telegraph messenging, even though this was used more rarely before the systems were scrapped. It's the same logic as you are using here. Change will come, and your general response that it is popular now is not relevant to how it will be seen in the next decade.

Sadly, I cannot evidence what has not yet happened, so I guess we will just have to wait and see. Twenty years ago we did not even have on demand services - look at it now!
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Obviously, the live events will be scheduled as this is the nature of a live show, and these events will be streamed over the internet. All pre-recorded material such as drama, lifestyle, documentaries, etc will be viewed from the on-line on demand library, Netflix-style.

As you say repeatedly, it's still TV, but the difference is the delivery method and the ease of being able to choose what you want to watch, when you want to watch it, free of advertisements if you so desire.

Yes, I understand also that some are just happy to stick with the old channel system, but I believe that habits are gradually changing and in time the vast majority will embrace it.

There will always be stick-in-the-muds who won't budge until they have to, but I really don't believe that companies will bother with a minority who are resistent to change.

If you had your way, I'm sure we would still have telegraph messenging, even though this was used more rarely before the systems were scrapped. It's the same logic as you are using here. Change will come, and your general response that it is popular now is not relevant to how it will be seen in the next decade.

Sadly, I cannot evidence what has not yet happened, so I guess we will just have to wait and see. Twenty years ago we did not even have on demand services - look at it now!
Ah today’s straw man. None of this is my preference, it’s my prediction based on observable reality and economics.

As you say, twenty years ago we didn’t have “on demand”. And in twenty years, despite the depth and breadth of content on it, people still watch live linear television. As with Sky+ and other PVR products. You still haven’t sold me on what streaming offers has that on demand and a PVR doesn’t in terms of convenience to the average end user who has thus far resisted or relied on a mix of live, timeshifted and on demand.

I’ve said a million times I have three streaming services (now four actually I’ve got 6 months free Apple TV+).

This isn’t about what I wan’t - if it was up to me we’d have nationalised the cable network and extended build in the 90s to deliver TV and broadband services that way with minimal satellite and terrestrial offerings. That way we’d have then had a genuinely future proof national network then rather than be finding £5bn in state intervention to plug the gaps the commercial networks won’t reach by 2025. However I digress...
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