Welsh required for jobs

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Quite easy you do not try to force people to learn a language for a job. Saying no one can work here who only speaks English (which you all speak) is no different to saying no women or no men. It is discriminatory

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

saying we will only give jobs to those who know something is exactly discriminating

Does the same apply to foreigners that come to the UK and work in factories?

They need to speak, read, write English to a certain standard . . or no job

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Russ

If that's what they were saying then yes it would be.

But they're not, are they? Read the article, they're being given 6 months to pick it up.

Welsh is one of the easiest languages for non-English speaking people to pick up. Lots of jobs expect you to learn new skills in a given timeframe, why is this any different?

or on appointment I did read the article

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

or on appointment I did read the article

So we’re agreed they’ll be given 6 months, good.

Nothing wrong with expecting a new employee to pick up new skills in 6 months.

[Hom3r]

Many years ago (70s) we went to Anglesey, we popped in to a small shop, a couple were in there speaking Welsh, they stopped when we walked in and then carried on speaking in Welsh, although we didn't speak Welsh we could tell they were talking about us.

We did our shop and approached the till, after 5 minutes of stand there my dad said "sod this let's go elsewhere" and plonked the basket on the side and started to leave the owner said in English "You can't leave that there".

My just said "watch me" as we walked out.

I do also remember that during that 2 weeks it rained only 3 times, Morning, Noon and night.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Quite easy you do not try to force people to learn a language for a job. Saying no one can work here who only speaks English (which you all speak) is no different to saying no women or no men. It is discriminatory

You can learn English. You can’t learn to be a different gender.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Carth

Does the same apply to foreigners that come to the UK and work in factories?

They need to speak, read, write English to a certain standard . . or no job

I expected this from someone.

Here is the difference


Almost everyone in Wales speaks English so why force some to learn Welsh

Almost everyone in England speaks English so to just get by in society they need to learn some.

your point holds as much water as Henry's bucket

It is not lost on me that English is more of an international language of trade and commerce which does as a nation makes us lazy in the art of picking up other languages

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Many years ago (70s) we went to Anglesey, we popped in to a small shop, a couple were in there speaking Welsh, they stopped when we walked in and then carried on speaking in Welsh, although we didn't speak Welsh we could tell they were talking about us.

We did our shop and approached the till, after 5 minutes of stand there my dad said "sod this let's go elsewhere" and plonked the basket on the side and started to leave the owner said in English "You can't leave that there".

My just said "watch me" as we walked out.

I do also remember that during that 2 weeks it rained only 3 times, Morning, Noon and night.

In 2001 I was in London and the woman I was seeing suggested we stop off at this pub. I went to bar and when I ordered drink 2 guys next to me said “FFS get back down the mines”.

Boring, we’ve all heard stories like that.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I expected this from someone.

Here is the difference


Almost everyone in Wales speaks English so why force some to learn Welsh

Almost everyone in England speaks English so to just get by in society they need to learn some.

your point holds as much water as Henry's bucket

It is not lost on me that English is more of an international language of trade and commerce which does as a nation makes us lazy in the art of picking up other languages

So I assume you’re against expecting someone to learn new skills to a required level when they start a new job?

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Russ

You can learn English. You can’t learn to be a different gender.

tell that to the LGBTQ+ community

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Originally Posted by Russ

So I assume you’re against expecting someone to learn new skills to a required level when they start a new job?

Nope

[Russ]

Excellent, I knew you’d come round eventually

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Russ

Excellent, I knew you’d come round eventually

There is you assuming again

You do not need to learn Welsh to speak to people who speak English same as you do not need to learn how to weld to work on a checkout in Tesco

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

There is you assuming again

You do not need to learn Welsh to speak to people who speak English same as you do not need to learn how to weld to work on a checkout in Tesco

Of course I’m assuming. You agreed there’s nothing wrong with expecting an employee to learn a new skill.

The WG is expecting new employees to learn a new skill.

[Sephiroth]

Are boys who became Eastern European lorry drivers the type to have taken in the English they might have been taught at school?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I expected this from someone.

You wrote:

Quite easy you do not try to force people to learn a language for a job.

and then go on to wriggle out of it

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Russ

They haven't said they want Welsh-only speakers.

Bias towards their own national language and wanting to help keep it alive...who'd have thought it eh?

Not the point, they have no justification for the restriction.
The only possible justification for such a policy is if there was a large enough pool of Welsh-only speakers that they had to deal with, and they had a lack of people who could also speak Welsh.

Anyway they would also have to not allow Welsh-only speaking applicants, because they would be required to communicate with English speakers.
Speaking Welsh is not needed to do the job, speaking English is.

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Originally Posted by Russ

So we’re agreed they’ll be given 6 months, good.

Nothing wrong with expecting a new employee to pick up new skills in 6 months.

Only if it's necessary to perform the job.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Not the point, they have no justification for the restriction.
The only possible justification for such a policy is if there was a large enough pool of Welsh-only speakers that they had to deal with, and they had a lack of people who could also speak Welsh.

Anyway they would also have to not allow Welsh-only speaking applicants, because they would be required to communicate with English speakers.
Speaking Welsh is not needed to do the job, speaking English is.

I'm pretty certain that if it genuinely was "discrimination" then the Equalities and Human Rights Commission would be all over it.

I presume they're not? That's because it isn't discrimination.