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[1andrew1]

Perhaps Biden can encourage both the UK and EU to resolve this dispute?

US president Joe Biden is set to issue a fresh Brexit warning to prime minister Boris Johnson during their first face-to-face meeting at the G7 summit this week.

The Times reports Biden will use a bilateral meeting with the PM to explicitly express US support for the Northern Ireland Protocol.

The pair will meet ahead of world leaders arriving at the summit in Cornwall.

The president is reportedly also planning to tell Johnson that the Brexit arrangements are an integral part of maintaining long-term peace in Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement - which the US is a guarantor of.

He is also set to warn the PM that the prospect of a trade deal hinges on the success of the Northern Ireland Protocol.

But Biden is also expected to also urge the EU to be less "bureaucratic" and to be more flexible in its implementation.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/bre...7-meet-8031462

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Whether it was 6 months ago or when we were in the EU isn't the point. Were were recently allowed to import raw meat into the EU and now we're not.

Because Brexit means Brexit?

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The ONLY thing in the NI Protocol is that many issues, including parcels from GB, have to be agreed by the Joint Committee. Absolutely nothing in there about blocking movement of goods and items. If the EU decides to NOT come to an agreement on the various issues, then THEY are breaking the agreement.

Totally wrong. Do you think David Frost and his EU counterparts are making this stuff up? That's one hell of a conspiracy theory.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

<SNIP>

Because Brexit means Brexit?

The usual smug Remainer crap. If Brexit really meant Brexit, we would have cut loose with no deal. We might as well now.

There is, under present circumstances, no reason why the EU can't grant veterinary equivalence to the UK. They have refused to do so because they want to punish us.

Your "I told you so" attitude is no basis for the UK having remained in the EU. They are bullies and want to control the UK by the back door. Sod 'em.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The usual smug Remainer crap. If Brexit really meant Brexit, we would have cut loose with no deal. We might as well now.

There is, under present circumstances, no reason why the EU can't grant veterinary equivalence to the UK. They have refused to do so because they want to punish us.

Your "I told you so" attitude is no basis for the UK having remained in the EU. They are bullies and want to control the UK by the back door. Sod 'em.

Then surely your argument is with UK Gov for signing the deal? No one forced them

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The usual smug Remainer crap. If Brexit really meant Brexit, we would have cut loose with no deal. We might as well now.

There is, under present circumstances, no reason why the EU can't grant veterinary equivalence to the UK. They have refused to do so because they want to punish us.

Your "I told you so" attitude is no basis for the UK having remained in the EU. They are bullies and want to control the UK by the back door. Sod 'em.

Where's your source to evidence that the UK has tried and been refused veterinary equivalence whilst it has done so for other nations? This would be a solution and I hope we can do something like this.

As to the bigger picture, to quote Jonathan Powell, former chief of staff to Tony Blair, and uniquely well informed on Northern Ireland.
"Critics say that the Conservative government is winding up the loyalists with its hardball tactics. “There is a nexus between the loyalists and the Tory party,” Mr. Powell said. “The Tories are making Northern Ireland politics interesting in a way that we don’t want them to be, which is all about identity.”"
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/07/w...it-border.html

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Then surely your argument is with UK Gov for signing the deal? No one forced them

Sure. They should have left without a deal. We'd have been no worse off and Ireland would be panicking.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Sure. They should have left without a deal. We'd have been no worse off and Ireland would be panicking.

But, we did, so therefore your argument can't be with the EU? Seems to me this can be end in one of two ways

1. We agreed to these terms and we're now having to deal with the fall out.
2. The EU are breaking the terms of the treaty/agreement which is subject to international law?

[Carth]

Cable forum in meltdown over sausages shocker

get a bloody grip

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

Cable forum in meltdown over sausages shocker

get a bloody grip

I have no intention of gripping your sausage thank you very much

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I have no intention of gripping your sausage thank you very much

I was simply waving it, trying to fit in

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The Protocol is part of the WA. The WA has ended.
The EU agreed to maintain the GB-NI customs union and single market.
There is NOTHING in the EU single market that says they can control goods within a non-EU state.

Well, apart from Article 7 of the Northern Ireland Protocol which states that goods placed on the market in Northern Ireland are covered by articles 34 and 36 of the Treaty for the Functioning of the European Union (Lisbon Treaty) These are the Single Market clauses.

Basically, goods entering Northern Ireland are entering the EU Single Market and are therefore covered by those rules.

[Pierre]

US president Joe Biden is set to issue a fresh Brexit warning to prime minister Boris Johnson during their first face-to-face meeting at the G7 summit this week

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Perhaps Biden can encourage both the UK and EU to resolve this dispute?

Biden can hardly string a sentence together, so I doubt Boris will be that intimidated.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Biden can hardly string a sentence together, so I doubt Boris will be that intimidated.

Compared to his predecessor, he's the Bard.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

But, we did, so therefore your argument can't be with the EU? Seems to me this can be end in one of two ways

1. We agreed to these terms and we're now having to deal with the fall out.
2. The EU are breaking the terms of the treaty/agreement which is subject to international law?

Nailed it.

HMG’s strategy seems to be to portray the EU as obsessing over trivial rules and to win a PR war, regardless of what the agreement actually says. It won’t be difficult to achieve that within the UK - EU rules on sausages and chicken nuggets is precisely the sort of thing that got the tabloids in a froth time after time when we were in the EU. I suspect they’re also trying to trap any foreign leader who might be tempted to weigh in on EU’s side (I.e. Joe Biden, who shares that strange American proclivity for identifying with the country one of their distant ancestors came from). There’s a very clear attempt here to put the EU’s obsession with sausages on one side and the UK’s concern for peace and harmony in Ireland on the other. If the UK gov is successful at establishing that narrative it will be hard for the EU to get a decent sound bite out of Joe while he’s in Cornwall.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Chris

HMG’s strategy seems to be to portray the EU as obsessing over trivial rules and to win a PR war, regardless of what the agreement actually says. It won’t be difficult to achieve that within the UK - EU rules on sausages and chicken nuggets is precisely the sort of thing that got the tabloids in a froth time after time when we were in the EU. I suspect they’re also trying to trap any foreign leader who might be tempted to weigh in on EU’s side (I.e. Joe Biden, who shares that strange American proclivity for identifying with the country one of their distant ancestors came from). There’s a very clear attempt here to put the EU’s obsession with sausages on one side and the UK’s concern for peace and harmony in Ireland on the other. If the UK gov is successful at establishing that narrative it will be hard for the EU to get a decent sound bite out of Joe while he’s in Cornwall.

Or (putting tin foil hat on) could this be a case of 'hurr, hurr, hurr, look how fussy those foreign types are with their ridiculous food standards' as a softener for any old junk being sold here. If you are fussy about food standards, you're no better than a frenchman, etc.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

HMG’s strategy seems to be to portray the EU as obsessing over trivial rules and to win a PR war, regardless of what the agreement actually says. It won’t be difficult to achieve that within the UK - EU rules on sausages and chicken nuggets is precisely the sort of thing that got the tabloids in a froth time after time when we were in the EU. I suspect they’re also trying to trap any foreign leader who might be tempted to weigh in on EU’s side (I.e. Joe Biden, who shares that strange American proclivity for identifying with the country one of their distant ancestors came from). There’s a very clear attempt here to put the EU’s obsession with sausages on one side and the UK’s concern for peace and harmony in Ireland on the other. If the UK gov is successful at establishing that narrative it will be hard for the EU to get a decent sound bite out of Joe while he’s in Cornwall.

I think you're right. As a reporter in Brussels, Boris Johnson made his name with well-crafted stories on straight bananas that bent the truth. So he knows how to play the game well here.

Biden's interest in Ireland is entirely logical. There's plenty of Irish ancestry votes in the US to be tapped. And the Good Friday Agreement is seen as a key Democrat success so he will not want to see that achievement harmed.