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Old 09-10-2019, 19:27   #1171
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It's all very simple. The EU is playing the game it has always played when a referendum doesn't go their way: Coerce the dissenting country to hold a second referendum. They smell this coming and so they give nothing away in terms of concessions.

As I and others have said before, those antidemocratic charlatans are intent on carving off a piece of the UK as punishment for daring to want to leave their poxy organisation.

Why would reasonable Remainers want to part of such an organisation?


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Old 09-10-2019, 19:29   #1173
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You're willing to throw £100 on Boris not doing a 'no deal brexit', yet continually harp on about Boris and his chums definitely wanting one in order to earn their £millions . . . make your mind up fella
It's 1/4 that No Deal won't happen so Andrew would only make £25 on his £100 stake, although pretty much guaranteed. Tempted to put a grand on
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Old 09-10-2019, 19:35   #1174
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I believe in gambling that sort of proposition is called a six-fold accumulator - a lot has to go right to win it...
Nothing at all to do with gambling, of course. It's negotiating 101. In no way would a trade union be expected to approach a dispute in the way the Remain side expect the UK to do. Any trade union official that used the Remain "tactics" would be soon kicked out as a traitor.
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Old 09-10-2019, 19:49   #1175
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It's all very simple. The EU is playing the game it has always played when a referendum doesn't go their way: Coerce the dissenting country to hold a second referendum. They smell this coming and so they give nothing away in terms of concessions.

As I and others have said before, those antidemocratic charlatans are intent on carving off a piece of the UK as punishment for daring to want to leave their poxy organisation.

Why would reasonable Remainers want to part of such an organisation?


When you stop framing things in the context of England being the centre of the universe, you find out the EU is acting in its own best interests. Given it is a trade bloc this is not hugely surprising.

We can't even act in our own best interests!
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It's 1/4 that No Deal won't happen so Andrew would only make £25 on his £100 stake, although pretty much guaranteed. Tempted to put a grand on
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It's all very simple. The EU is playing the game it has always played when a referendum doesn't go their way: Coerce the dissenting country to hold a second referendum. They smell this coming and so they give nothing away in terms of concessions.

As I and others have said before, those antidemocratic charlatans are intent on carving off a piece of the UK as punishment for daring to want to leave their poxy organisation.

Why would reasonable Remainers want to part of such an organisation?


What would your solution to N.Ireland border/no-border be then?
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Old 09-10-2019, 20:05   #1178
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When you stop framing things in the context of England being the centre of the universe, you find out the EU is acting in its own best interests. Given it is a trade bloc this is not hugely surprising.

We can't even act in our own best interests!
I've done nothing of the sort. Our nation is the UK to no less an extent that Germany comprises its Laender.

Nobody is arguing that the EU is acting in its own best interests - or at least I'm not. But their actions shouldn't make us happy at being part of their undemocratic organisation.

Your last sentence - spot on.


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Old 09-10-2019, 20:08   #1179
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What would your solution to N.Ireland border/no-border be then?
The onus is on the receiving country, ie the EU. That is the way it operates everywhere else in the World. Eg Is China expected to enforce border controls on behalf of other countries? They can ship whatever they like, it is up to the destination country to control and choose what they let in and what they don't.

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Mr Barnier said the UK's suggested alternative to the Irish backstop - which would see customs checks conducted away from the border at business premises or electronically - "had not been tested" and was "largely based" on exemptions for small businesses and technology that "has yet to be developed".
The bit in bold goes for each and every possible solution, ironically including the backstop. And the EU still claim they are ready to accept a "valid" solution.

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Old 09-10-2019, 20:16   #1180
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The onus is on the receiving country, ie the EU. That is the way it operates everywhere else in the World. Eg Is China expected to enforce border controls on behalf of other countries? They can ship whatever they like, it is up to the destination country to control and choose what they let in and what they don't.
Both countries exist either side of the border. Stuff will come into the UK too.
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Both countries exist either side of the border. Stuff will come into the UK too.
We will man the border to keep immigrants out while waving smugglers of chlorinated chicken through.
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Both countries exist either side of the border. Stuff will come into the UK too.
But that is for the UK to decide. Just as the EU decides what to accept from China.


Article 50 says, we can leave. The EU, including Ireland, is bound by that.
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But that is for the UK to decide. Just as the EU decides what to accept from China.
So should be have no customs checks, no border, in Ireland or should we?
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But that is for the UK to decide. Just as the EU decides what to accept from China.


Article 50 says, we can leave. The EU, including Ireland, is bound by that.
Merkel says that Germany can leave quite simply; the UK cannot leave without leaving Ulster in the SM & CU for ever.
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Merkel says that Germany can leave quite simply; the UK cannot leave without leaving Ulster in the SM & CU for ever.
According the No 10's 'source' that is. We don't have her saying that publicly or confirming she said it in that call. Instead she seemed to have given perfect ammunition to No 10 according to No 10s account. No 10 heading by that most honest of politicians Boris Johnson who wouldn't lie, lie and lie again whenever he felt like it.
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