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Old 10-10-2019, 09:51   #1201
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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So what are the NEW developments if any?
There's the Brexit Readiness Report that came out on Tuesday which seems to roll up the No Deal preparations and policies. Here's the link - https://assets.publishing.service.go...ness_paper.PDF

Seems fun! Some highlights I have seen so far;
  • We would trade on WTO rules with the EU apart from the Republic of Ireland where there will be no tariffs. Expect to see suddenly a hell of a lot of goods going through the border!
  • The UK has dropped the proposed tariff on HGVs from 22% to 10%
  • British living in Spain will continue to have access to healthcare until the end of 2020
  • Motorists may require an International Driving Permit and insurance Green Card to drive in the EU. They will also need a 'GB' sticker even if they have an EU number plate
  • GPDR will come into British law to allow information flow between the UK and EU
  • It will no longer be legal to select employees with EU/EEA/Swiss qualifications over employees with other nations qualifications for jobs under WTO rules
  • EU registered medicines, medical devices and aircraft will be accepted in the UK without further registration. Cars will not and will require UK type approval
  • The UK will lose access to the EU animal tracing system along with the Rapid Alert System
  • No sanitary checks will be applied to imports of food in to the UK (!)

It's a big document!
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:01   #1202
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The Government has developed a new Import of Products, Animals, Food and Feed System (IPAFFS) to replace the EU’s Trade Control and Export (TRACES) system. This digital service would monitor the control and import of animals, animal related products and high risk food and feed from the EU and rest-of-world countries. Further information on the new customs and regulatory requirements for agrifood products can be found in the industry chapter (see chapter 6 on industry).
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The UK Temporary Tariff (TTR) policy will not apply to goods crossing from Ireland into Northern Ireland, meaning there will be no new tariffs applied to anything which crosses the border – provided that the goods have not been diverted via Ireland in order to avoid UK customs duty that would otherwise have been payable.
Only EU goods could get away with it, so no real change to now. There isn't the France to Ireland capacity to bypass Dover etc in a big way.



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The UK and Spain have each taken steps to ensure that people travelling to each country can continue to access healthcare as they do now until at least 31 December 2020.
So that's a bilateral agreement with Spain, that works both ways.



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The Government has decided that direct imports to the UK of animals, animal products, high risk food and feed not of animal origin, and regulated plants that are in circulation in the EU single market will not be subject to sanitary or phytosanitary border checks and will not need to enter through a Border Inspection Post (for products of animal origin) or a designated point of entry (for high-risk food and feed not of animal origin). The UK will not require products of animal origin to be accompanied by a health certificate.
They've passed EU rules already. No different to currently, what would happen under a customs union or if we remained.

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• The UK has already signed bilateral agreements with Spain, Portugal and Luxembourg to guarantee local voting and candidacy rights for UK nationals in those states. Together, these three voting rights treaties protect the rights of a third of UK nationals living in EU Member States.
It seems deals can be done, as long as it doesn't involve the EU or Ireland.

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Old 10-10-2019, 11:30   #1203
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It's a pity that the EU and Ireland could not turn the Common Travel Area into the Common Trading Area, allowing goods to pass between Ireland & Ulster.
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Old 10-10-2019, 13:40   #1204
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Only EU goods could get away with it, so no real change to now. There isn't the France to Ireland capacity to bypass Dover etc in a big way.



So that's a bilateral agreement with Spain, that works both ways.



They've passed EU rules already. No different to currently, what would happen under a customs union or if we remained.

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The UK has already signed bilateral agreements with Spain, Portugal and Luxembourg to guarantee local voting and candidacy rights for UK nationals in those states. Together, these three voting rights treaties protect the rights of a third of UK nationals living in EU Member States.
It seems deals can be done, as long as it doesn't involve the EU or Ireland.
The three countries mentioned are in the EU, and Spain and Ireland have interim agreement re health care.

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The UK and Spain have also taken steps to ensure that people living in each country can continue to access healthcare as they do now until at least 31 December 2020.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49989227
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The government has made it very clear that it wants EHIC to continue, deal or no deal.

But so far, only Spain has agreed to that.

Portugal says it won't carry on with the scheme if there is a no-deal Brexit. But it has passed a law saying that UK tourists can still get healthcare as before, for now, if they show their passport.
There is a similar agreement with Ireland, too.
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Old 10-10-2019, 13:45   #1205
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The three countries mentioned are in the EU.
Of course they are, I think you'll find that nomadking was refering to the fact that bi-lateral arrangements can be made without going through the EU.
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Old 10-10-2019, 14:26   #1206
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

EHIC falls under the EEA (Switzerland is included in the EHIC scheme too), not the EU so EU laws and treaties don't apply so each country can do what they like in terms of deals.

I would be very surprised if we stay in the EEA post leaving the EU as membership includes goodies like freedom of movement, the single market, acceptance of some EU laws and the CJEU, and a financial contribution.

Interestingly, it is unclear whether leaving the EU means that we will leave the EEA which is a different process (Article 127 of the EEA Treaty) It is assumedwe will but it's not explicit.
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EHIC falls under the EEA (Switzerland is included in the EHIC scheme too), not the EU so EU laws and treaties don't apply so each country can do what they like in terms of deals.

I would be very surprised if we stay in the EEA post leaving the EU as membership includes goodies like freedom of movement, the single market, acceptance of some EU laws and the CJEU, and a financial contribution.

Interestingly, it is unclear whether leaving the EU means that we will leave the EEA which is a different process (Article 127 of the EEA Treaty) It is assumedwe will but it's not explicit.
Article 126 of the EEA make clear we would automatically leave.

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1. The Agreement shall apply to the territories to which the Treaty establishing the European Economic Community and the Treaty establishing the European Coal and Steel Community is applied and under the conditions laid down in those Treaties, and to the territories of the Republic of Austria, the Republic of Finland, the Republic of Iceland, the Principality of Liechtenstein, the Kingdom of Norway, the Kingdom of Sweden and the Swiss Confederation.

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Brexit LIVE: Breakthrough in talks as Boris and Varadkar agree on 'pathway' to EU deal

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...al-backstop-eu

one step closer to a deal?
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Old 10-10-2019, 16:28   #1209
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Brexit LIVE: Breakthrough in talks as Boris and Varadkar agree on 'pathway' to EU deal

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...al-backstop-eu

one step closer to a deal?
The UK Parliament won't approve it. They won't be able to resist continuing to make trouble with a capital T.
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Old 10-10-2019, 16:42   #1210
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So am hearing that there has been very significant movement from British side on the customs issue in the Johnson-Varadkar talks. Not clear on detail and not clear what concessions expected in return. But if what I hear is correct, it changes the picture substantially
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The UK Parliament won't approve it. They won't be able to resist continuing to make trouble with a capital T.
He'll probably just send the deal straight to the Scottish court and bypass parliament just like the SNP have.
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Bozzas made a big concession on customs, Brexiteers/DUP won't be happy....

Is Mays deal back again???
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I don't know. I think a version of May's deal might pass because:

1) They'll present it as a concession he has achieved. He'll certainly have something and while it won't be groundbreaking so long as it is still some sort of concession it will give MPs looking for a reason to vote for it that reason. A ladder to climb down.

2) No Deal is very close.

3) The coming election will throw things up in the air. Do they want to give Boris Johnson the gift of voting against the deal?
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But Boris voted against Mays deal . Wonder if May will vote against now
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Bozzas made a big concession on customs, Brexiteers/DUP won't be happy....

Is Mays deal back again???
I've seen nothing that really mentions what concessions were made, only that they've had talks that were . . . "very positive and very promising"

Nothing new to see . . . move along
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