09-03-2019, 09:33
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Thie instigators of these wars had plans. The instigators of Brexit did not.
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The EU(ie Germany & France) have plans, and we don't agree with them. So what do we do? Raise the white flag?
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09-03-2019, 09:47
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Re: Brexit Discussion (Follow First Post Rules!)
Come on people, all this stuff about Leave not having a plan or taking responsibility has been done before. The Government gave us a two option choice, it was up to them to 'plan' for either outcome
from 20/9/18
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All my responsibilities ended after casting my vote.
I don't recall the voting paper including the phrase "you may vote either Remain or Leave, but please be aware you will need to submit a written document outlining your proposals for a successful implementation of your choice"
Government missed a great chance to pass the buck there didn't they  |
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09-03-2019, 09:51
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by nomadking
The EU(ie Germany & France) have plans, and we don't agree with them. So what do we do? Raise the white flag?
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The EU were not the instigators of Brexit. The fact that the EU has a plan is to its credit. I think people are now starting to accept that we don't hold all the cards and that they don't need us more than we need them.
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09-03-2019, 10:00
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The EU were not the instigators of Brexit. The fact that the EU has a plan is to its credit. I think people are now starting to accept that we don't hold all the cards and that they don't need us more than we need them.
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The EU plan was always a simplistic one . . . don't budge an inch, make the UK struggle to find terms that are agreeable with all parties, make them beg.
The UK plan was . . that the referendum vote was 'in the bag' as a remain win.
Big Dave didn't have the life experience that taught many of us the fact that being on 'safe ground' doesn't mean you won't trip up 
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09-03-2019, 11:22
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Re: Brexit
The EU plan is to look after its own political and economic interests. The UK is acting against its own political and economic interests which is what is making implementation difficult.
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09-03-2019, 13:01
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by nomadking
So because their was no plan at the time as an alternative, we should have simply waved the white flag in WW1 and WW2?
Is the EEC/EU the same as the one voted for in 1975? Either there was no plan for remain at that time, or people were misled about what was going to happen.
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Pre-WW2, we did have a plan.
Conscription was introduced 6 months before war was declared, money was allocated for Navy convoy escorts, secret radar stations were installed along the South Coast - re-armament was started in 1936 in response to the growing threat, with the first Shadow Factories opening in 1937.
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09-03-2019, 13:07
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The EU were not the instigators of Brexit. The fact that the EU has a plan is to its credit. I think people are now starting to accept that we don't hold all the cards and that they don't need us more than we need them.
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But we don't need the EU it's the dreamers that appear to think we do
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09-03-2019, 13:41
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Gavin78
But we don't need the EU it's the dreamers that appear to think we do
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It'll be a tough lesson to learn for many, when they discover the effect of leaving the EU. I really don't think many realise what the effect will be on prices/jobs/standard of living. Doubtless there will then be someone else to blame.
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09-03-2019, 13:44
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
It'll be a tough lesson to learn for many, when they discover the effect of leaving the EU. I really don't think many realise what the effect will be on prices/jobs/standard of living. Doubtless there will then be someone else to blame.
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The EU of course for not giving us the benefits of membership without being a member!
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10-03-2019, 09:16
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Re: Brexit
Public swinging behind no deal Brexit, as Tories and DUP urge May to invoke plan B
Support for a no-deal Brexit is growing in the face of the EU's refusal to help salvage Theresa May's deal, according to a new poll.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...rowing-number/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1098072/brexit-news-no-deal-uk-leave-EU-theresa-may-brussels-public-poll
looks like the people are getting fed up with the EU.
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10-03-2019, 09:35
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Re: Brexit
Or just getting fed up with our Brexit negotiating (in)ability!
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10-03-2019, 09:43
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Re: Brexit
l suspect there are just as many people getting fed up with Theresa May and HMG as are fed up with the EU....
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10-03-2019, 10:24
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Re: Brexit
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Public swinging behind no deal Brexit, as Tories and DUP urge May to invoke plan B
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Or, also known as, 2000 people asked by a poll commissioned by the rabid anti-EU Daily Express.
I believe it ..  It's the truth, honest ..
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10-03-2019, 10:29
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
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The ComRes poll was commissioned by pro-Leave group Brexit Express which surveyed over 2000 people and found that 76 percent of people also believed the Government had handled negotiations poorly.
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10-03-2019, 10:59
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Re: Brexit
29% favour a second referendum v 27% a no-deal Brexit.
Unsurprisingly, voters are fed up with the way that it's dragging on.
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