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Old 17-02-2019, 19:07   #7636
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Re: Brexit

FFS, I see we are going over old ground Hugh.
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Old 17-02-2019, 19:29   #7637
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Re: Theresa May must resign

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Not really...

It has all the intellectual rigour of two and a half years of being further informed of the complexities and potential outcomes of a decision, rather than just ‘yes’ or ‘no’.
Or, two and a half years in which a whole section of the British and European political establishment has worked overtime on making it look excessively complex, in the hope, if not expectation, that an eventual impasse might result in a second referendum in which that complexity could be weaponised.

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btw, re the "What’s the matter - chicken?" analogy, isn’t it the Leavers who are saying it’s OK to jump without knowing the outcome or potential issues?
The referendum campaign was fought in 2016. The Remain campaign had its chance to elucidate the complexities and risks of various post-Brexit scenarios, just as the Leave campaign had the chance to set out some of the possible opportunities. We listened, we decided, we voted. No matter how complex the implementation, the imperative to actually do the implementation is really very simple.
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Old 17-02-2019, 19:37   #7638
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Re: Theresa May must resign

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Especially as people know more now
People know nothing new - people know what they knew then, no new information has come to light that was said during the campaigns, only pathetic scaremongering rubbish, is coming from the folk who refuse to accept the legitimate result of the Referendum.
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Old 17-02-2019, 19:52   #7639
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Re: Theresa May must resign

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You sure a withdrawal agreement was May's idea OB?
I stand corrected, thank you Pip.
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Old 17-02-2019, 19:59   #7640
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Re: Theresa May must resign

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Her choice - she had a majority, called a snap election and her stated reason was to strengthen her hand in Brexit negotiations

Her call - the blame for all this is on her.
British democracy at it’s best, she took the electorate for granted and got her comeuppance, A bit like the Remain side did in the referendum, only she hasn’t complained about it and got on with it.

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If the MP's cannot decide than give the people another referendum and let us the people decide.
They already decided.

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But surely if the case for Leave was that strong, it would be a walkover?
So we need all future results confirmed twice do we?
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Old 17-02-2019, 20:29   #7641
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Re: Theresa May must resign

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British democracy at it’s best, she took the electorate for granted and got her comeuppance, A bit like the Remain side did in the referendum, only she hasn’t complained about it and got on with it.
She was badly advised and those advisers got their cumuppence.

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Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill, Mrs May's joint chiefs of staff, had faced fierce criticism over their role in the Tory election campaign as the party failed to secure a majority and the Prime Minister was left clinging to power.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...er-disastrous/
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Re: Theresa May must resign

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She was badly advised and those advisers got their cumuppence.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...er-disastrous/
Badly advised she might of been but she had the final say when it came to the decision so the buck stops with her , No ifs , no buts , no maybes.
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Re: Theresa May must resign

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People know nothing new - people know what they knew then, no new information has come to light that was said during the campaigns, only pathetic scaremongering rubbish, is coming from the folk who refuse to accept the legitimate result of the Referendum.
You've only got to look at the people replying to this thread, there's at least three I've seen say they voted leave but if they knew what it'd entail they'd have voted remain, so it's untrue people know nothing new and I'll also point out I posted pre referendum that I'd have to reluctantly vote remain as I didn't have enough information on it and I wasn't the only person here that said that either, even in the tiny world of cable forum your notion that people know nothing new doesn't ring true.
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Old 17-02-2019, 23:00   #7644
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Re: Theresa May must resign

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You've only got to look at the people replying to this thread, there's at least three
Wow, “at least” three! I mean based on that.....well, you only have look........at least three. Speaks volumes doesn’t it?

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I've seen say they voted leave but if they knew what it'd entail they'd have voted remain, so it's untrue people know nothing new
That just highlights that there are ignorant and lazy people out there, it doesn’t prove that there wasn’t enough information available. There was plenty.

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and I'll also point out I posted pre referendum that I'd have to reluctantly vote remain as I didn't have enough information on it
I respect your decision, but my only issue is with the word “reluctantly”? That’s like saying I loved somebody but I reluctantly dumped him as although I loved him, I didn’t love him enough to find out enough about him.

Or even worse it’s like saying I reluctantly married someone, because I didn’t do the homework.

The information was there, available for all.
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Re: Brexit

Leave campaigners promised voters that the German motor industry would send a strong signal in the event of Brexit. This information was available for all but I'm not sure this is the outcome the campaigners promised us.
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Porsche is warning UK customers they might have to pay 10% extra for cars delivered after Britain leaves the EU.
The German firm wants buyers to sign a clause agreeing to a potential tariff, a move Porsche said is "precautionary".
Porsche's owner Volkswagen declined to discuss if some of its other brands, including Audi, Lamborghini, Skoda, Bugatti, Seat, and Ducati might follow.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47270616
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Re: Brexit

The issue never was, and very much shouldn't be, "how difficult is it to leave?".


It was about what has happened(some of it unforeseeable), and what would happen if we stayed.
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Wow, “at least” three! I mean based on that.....well, you only have look........at least three. Speaks volumes doesn’t it?
Exactly, I didn't look and remembered three of the top of my head, of a tiny little site like this, with even tinier numbers replying to the thread and nice attempt to move the goal posts, it was said no one had nothing new, well they have for a start

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That just highlights that there are ignorant and lazy people out there, it doesn’t prove that there wasn’t enough information available. There was plenty.
No there wasn't, I asked questions on here back then that still haven't been answered, some have only been answered due to the passage of time which hardly equates to information having been out there

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I respect your decision, but my only issue is with the word “reluctantly”? That’s like saying I loved somebody but I reluctantly dumped him as although I loved him, I didn’t love him enough to find out enough about him.

Or even worse it’s like saying I reluctantly married someone, because I didn’t do the homework.

The information was there, available for all.
Your analogy is ridiculous and not worth commenting on
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Leave campaigners promised voters that the German motor industry would send a strong signal in the event of Brexit. This information was available for all but I'm not sure this is the outcome the campaigners promised us.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47270616
The Remain campaigners warned us that this could happen Yet 52% of those voting in the Referendum still decided they wanted to Leave.

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Re: Brexit

Good to see justice being done. There is absolutely no excuse for attacking ambulance staff, which I assume what "emergency worker" is.
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Six pro-Brexit protesters charged after London 'yellow vest' march
Six people have been charged after a number of police officers and emergency workers were attacked at a pro-Brexit yellow vest protest march in London.
Footage posted on social media appears to show some activists clashing with officers at the march through Whitehall and Piccadilly on Saturday.
Five protesters were charged with assault on an emergency worker, and one was charged with obstructing police.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47270935
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Leave campaigners promised voters that the German motor industry would send a strong signal in the event of Brexit. This information was available for all but I'm not sure this is the outcome the campaigners promised us.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47270616
Bloody hell, that is exactly what the Leave campaign was saying. German cars would be more expensive. Which would result on pressure to the German government to sort out a deal.

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Exactly, I didn't look and remembered three of the top of my head, of a tiny little site like this, with even tinier numbers replying to the thread
Pointless then.

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Your analogy is ridiculous and not worth commenting on
Because it’s right and you can’t argue against it.

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