09-01-2019, 17:09
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Re: Brexit
More big Brexit news: No10 confirms the Govt has just accepted the Swire amendment - which gives MPs the power to;
1. Veto the Irish backstop AND a transition extension in 2020
2. Limit the backstop to just 12 months
Both completely contradict the current Withdrawal Agreement.
Could someone with greater knowledge than I translate as to what effect, this could cause in relation to the proposed deal (again, genuine q, i honestly don't know)
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09-01-2019, 17:16
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
More big Brexit news: No10 confirms the Govt has just accepted the Swire amendment - which gives MPs the power to;
1. Veto the Irish backstop AND a transition extension in 2020
2. Limit the backstop to just 12 months
Both completely contradict the current Withdrawal Agreement.
Could someone with greater knowledge than I translate as to what effect, this could cause in relation to the proposed deal (again, genuine q, i honestly don't know)
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The amendment means nothing without EU agreement.
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09-01-2019, 17:16
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
More big Brexit news: No10 confirms the Govt has just accepted the Swire amendment - which gives MPs the power to;
1. Veto the Irish backstop AND a transition extension in 2020
2. Limit the backstop to just 12 months
Both completely contradict the current Withdrawal Agreement.
Could someone with greater knowledge than I translate as to what effect, this could cause in relation to the proposed deal (again, genuine q, i honestly don't know)
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It would be easier to comment if you could remember to link to your source.
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09-01-2019, 17:19
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
More big Brexit news: No10 confirms the Govt has just accepted the Swire amendment - which gives MPs the power to;
1. Veto the Irish backstop AND a transition extension in 2020
2. Limit the backstop to just 12 months
Both completely contradict the current Withdrawal Agreement.
Could someone with greater knowledge than I translate as to what effect, this could cause in relation to the proposed deal (again, genuine q, i honestly don't know)
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This may be helpful
https://twitter.com/Usherwood/status...24208001724417
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09-01-2019, 17:23
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Chris
It would be easier to comment if you could remember to link to your source.
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Sorry, yes, it's a twitter feed but actual location is https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ments-46784460
---------- Post added at 17:23 ---------- Previous post was at 17:21 ----------
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It does, thank you
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09-01-2019, 17:33
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Re: Brexit
Well that’s just bizarre.
It gives Parliament the right to vote on the way the Backstop is brought to an end. Ordinarily as the Backstop forms part of an international treaty you would expect the government to retain that sort of power.
This afternoon is all about MPs showing, in as theatrical a way as possible, that they no longer trust the government and are therefore minded to give the legislature the powers and responsibilities normally entrusted to the executive.
In practical terms, the withdrawal agreement forbids either side from terminating the Backstop unilaterally so it doesn’t matter whether parliament or government has the power, they can’t actually use it without being in violation of treaty. I guess it’s possible the message being sent here is “we don’t trust Teresa May not to violate an international treaty”, but as I said, it’s just theatrics. Things would have to get extremely, unpleasantly bad before any British government would contemplate doing such a thing, so it’s essentially a moot point.
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09-01-2019, 17:41
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
Leaving the EU is putting the country on a more prosperous path
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Evidence please ...
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09-01-2019, 17:49
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by ianch99
Evidence please ...
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I wouldn’t bother mate.
Brexiteers are beyond evidence. It’s an ideology pure and simple.
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09-01-2019, 17:56
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Re: Brexit
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
Well that’s just bizarre.
It gives Parliament the right to vote on the way the Backstop is brought to an end. Ordinarily as the Backstop forms part of an international treaty you would expect the government to retain that sort of power.
This afternoon is all about MPs showing, in as theatrical a way as possible, that they no longer trust the government and are therefore minded to give the legislature the powers and responsibilities normally entrusted to the executive.
In practical terms, the withdrawal agreement forbids either side from terminating the Backstop unilaterally so it doesn’t matter whether parliament or government has the power, they can’t actually use it without being in violation of treaty. I guess it’s possible the message being sent here is “we don’t trust Teresa May not to violate an international treaty”, but as I said, it’s just theatrics. Things would have to get extremely, unpleasantly bad before any British government would contemplate doing such a thing, so it’s essentially a moot point.
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Great, thanks for the clarification.
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09-01-2019, 18:22
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by ianch99
Evidence please ...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman
I wouldn’t bother mate.
Brexiteers are beyond evidence. It’s an ideology pure and simple.
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What is really the point of going back to the same arguments as several years ago?
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09-01-2019, 18:26
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Re: Brexit
In our defence, Parliament is doing the same. It’s inevitable everyone will be at a future referendum at best or a general election at worst.
This Government simply will not last til March 29th unless it changes course. The Brexit at all costs brigade know this, which is why we are seeing the threatening behaviour, violence, intimidation and more vociferous language in the discourse.
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09-01-2019, 18:31
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Re: Brexit
May plans high stakes strategy:
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Quote from The Express:
The Prime Minister is widely expected to lose a crucial vote on her much-maligned divorce deal next week, but a high-stakes strategy which reportedly has the backing of Brexiteers could see her outmanoeuvre MPs demanding no-deal be taken off the table. The plan could see the Prime Minister use her powers to call a national vote for April 4 - just six days after Brexit Day on March 29. This would have the effect of dissolving Parliament for 17 working days before polling day, meaning no MPs would be sitting to oppose the Government’s no-deal contingency plans from coming into force
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09-01-2019, 18:36
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
May plans high stakes strategy:
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I've just watched a party political broadcast by the conservative party wonder if it's part of the strategy.
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09-01-2019, 18:45
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
May plans high stakes strategy:
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This would be magnificent.
Welcome to your brand new socialist eutopia. A general election in the middle of food shortages, queues at the ports, chaos at airports is an act of mass suicide by the Conservative Party.
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