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Old Today, 13:55   #736
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Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2020)

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I know. However, not everyone has internet, let alone decent enough internet.

And even in properties with good enough internet, there can be problems with distribution within them. You can usually get TV signals in places with problem wifi. Powerline plugs don't work everywhere.
I agree, but the government has a programme for internet access to be delivered throughout the country. I do not see any big change before that is completed.

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As someone who visits a lot of elderly people's home for work, I can say

A) there are a lot of old people
B) at least 50% of those rely on standard linear TV programs
C) many have no access to broadband in their homes

I think this is because of the high cost of cable/satellite and broadband

These are 3 reasons why linear TV will continue for a long time yet.
So, already, about 50% are using VOD. That is very encoraging - I thought it would be lower than that as this stage.

Yes, access to the internet must be vastly improved before any transmitter signals are ceased. We are probably a decade away from that situation, but it could come quicker if the internet companies pull their fingers out.
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Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2020)

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I agree, but the government has a programme for internet access to be delivered throughout the country. I do not see any big change before that is completed.

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So, already, about 50% are using VOD. That is very encoraging - I thought it would be lower than that as this stage.

Yes, access to the internet must be vastly improved before any transmitter signals are ceased. We are probably a decade away from that situation, but it could come quicker if the internet companies pull their fingers out.
You are missing the point, it doesn't matter that broadband speeds are to be increased across the country - if you cannot afford what is currently on offer how are you going to afford a higher speed which will come at a higher cost?

This is not going to change in the next 20-30 years unless broadband is treated as a right similar to water. Or are you expecting super fast broadband to be free to all?

I said at least 50% pensioners are only using linear TV - as I didn't want to put a figure on it and have the likes of you dispute it.

Doesn't equate to 50% using VOD which you are surprised at by your own admission. Please don't twist my words to suit your argument.
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You are missing the point, it doesn't matter that broadband speeds are to be increased across the country - if you cannot afford what is currently on offer how are you going to afford a higher speed which will come at a higher cost?

This is not going to change in the next 20-30 years unless broadband is treated as a right similar to water. Or are you expecting super fast broadband to be free to all?

I said at least 50% pensioners are only using linear TV - as I didn't want to put a figure on it and have the likes of you dispute it.

Doesn't equate to 50% using VOD which you are surprised at by your own admission. Please don't twist my words to suit your argument.
My thoughts on this are that when BB becomes available to every household we may well see the likes of pensioners, and people on low incomes, being given discounts or maybe even free to those who cannot afford it.
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My thoughts on this are that when BB becomes available to every household we may well see the likes of pensioners, and people on low incomes, being given discounts or maybe even free to those who cannot afford it.

Really?

As someone on a below average wage and soon to be retired, I sincerely hope you are correct - however I cannot see this happening in the foreseeable future, nice as it would be.

Do you think the same might apply to gas & electric, which after all are basic essentials?
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Really?

As someone on a below average wage and soon to be retired, I sincerely hope you are correct - however I cannot see this happening in the foreseeable future, nice as it would be.

Do you think the same might apply to gas & electric, which after all are basic essentials?
I certainly think that it's a possibility that pensioners and/or those on low incomes might receive help with obtaining broadband.

Being able to switch off terrestrial signals would save far more than this one off subsidy and help was actually offered to these groups without digital television when analogue TV was switched off.

If they decide not to go down this route, I think that they will probably switch off all Freeview signals apart from the PSB channels.

Depending on their supplier, those deemed to be on low incomes (usually those in receipt of means tested benefits) receive a discount on their gas/electric through the Warm Home Discount Scheme:

https://www.gov.uk/the-warm-home-discount-scheme

More info. on other help here:

https://www.ukpower.co.uk/home_energ...bled-customers

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Really?

As someone on a below average wage and soon to be retired, I sincerely hope you are correct - however I cannot see this happening in the foreseeable future, nice as it would be.

Do you think the same might apply to gas & electric, which after all are basic essentials?
As Richard said there are already discounts for people on low incomes and the elderly for heating etc, my point about the BB is the same really...
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As Richard said there are already discounts for people on low incomes and the elderly for heating etc, my point about the BB is the same really...

Yes, you can get help with electric and gas bills but your income needs to be well below a living wage to get them.

As for broadband, it is an on-going monthly cost not a one-off as suggested.

I cannot see any government paying for high speed broadband for all on a long term basis.
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