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TheDaddy · 12-12-2018, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Damien

Mogg going onto BBC saying she should resign

Sounds like he isn't accepting the result of the vote

Pierre · 12-12-2018, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Dave42

if it a EEA deal there is no backstop as we be in CU so no need for a backstop or hard border

An EEA deal is not current

May’s deal is on the table, and a major sticking point is the Backstop.

If she can get a concession from the EU on this, she might get it through......might.

Dave42 · 12-12-2018, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Pierre

An EEA deal is not current

May’s deal is on the table, and a major sticking point is the Backstop.

If she can get a concession from the EU on this, she might get it through......might.

it might be when her deal get defeated in parliament we wait and see what happens

**Mick** · 12-12-2018, 21:35

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**Hugh** · 12-12-2018, 21:41

Apparently the ERG have lodged a formal complaint against the fact that the 1922 Committee allowed Diane Abbott to count the votes...

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Sounds like he isn't accepting the result of the vote

Apparently 63% of the votes cast isn't enough of a majority to give her a mandate...

Pierre · 12-12-2018, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Hugh

[/COLOR]Apparently 63% of the votes cast isn't enough of a majority to give her a mandate...

For him maybe. Unfortunately for JRM ( and I do like him). He needs to take it like a man and shut the fluff up.

Time to move on.

1andrew1 · 13-12-2018, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Damien

Mogg going onto BBC saying she should resign

He'll want another vote until he gets the result he wants as he feels that's his privilege.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

it might be when her deal get defeated in parliament we wait and see what happens

An EEA deal is not on offer. That's not an automatic right. The only automatic rights are no deal and remain. The non-automatic right is the deal that Theresa May has negotiated.

pip08456 · 13-12-2018, 00:13

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He'll want another vote until he gets the result he wants as he feels that's his privilege.

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An EEA deal is not on offer. That's not an automatic right. The only automatic rights are no deal and remain. The non-automatic right is the deal that Theresa May has negotiated.

Without a limit on the backstop her deal will and must be rejected.

1andrew1 · 13-12-2018, 00:18

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Originally Posted by denphone

My bet is she has got over 200 votes.

Well done, Den.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Without a limit on the backstop her deal will and must be rejected.

That opinion doesn't alter the fact that EEA is not an automatic option and would need to be negotiated.

denphone · 13-12-2018, 05:00

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Well done, Den.

Beginners luck Andrew.

Pierre · 13-12-2018, 06:38

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He'll want another vote until he gets the result he wants as he feels that's his privilege.

Ha, ha coming from you, you have to love the irony.

Sephiroth · 13-12-2018, 06:49

What a clusterfluff! Of course many of you are putting aside the fact that the real enemy of the UK is the EU (see Macron and Varadkar for details).

**Hugh** · 13-12-2018, 07:44

That’s your opinion, not a fact.

Sephiroth · 13-12-2018, 08:32

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s your opinion, not a fact.

Macron: (loosely quoted): "Ze ink is not yet drry on ze wizdrawal agreement; mais May should be in non doubt zat ze Beckstop will be perrmanant unless ve rretain nos fishing rights in UK vaterrs". = ENEMY.

VARADKAR: (reading between the lines): "Oive got a brilliant oidea. Let's use de Backstop to protect our economy, keep the perfidious UK in the Customs Union, wreck Brexit and bring unification close" = ENEMY.

Author's licence on my part maybe, but that's pretty much what happened and if you are in denial on this and you are defended by the other Remainers in this thread then your disconnect with reality is deplorable.

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This is a totally useless avenue of discussion. We need to be considering how to move forward from here.

Labour are playing high stake political games; the Lib Dems are hoping to get into coalition with Labour; the DUP are afraid of Labour; the Tories missed their road to Damascus (as in they didn't see the light).

The situation is impossible to resolve in Parliament unless the Tory Remain rebels have a Damascus moment, which they won't.

A 2nd Referendum is a logical step provided that the question is right (i.e. Deal or No Deal). It would be traitorious to reverse the 2016 Referendum and it is not an honourable political option given the history of repeated referenda in other countries till the EU got the answer it wanted.

May goes to the EU today. Let's say she gets some concession from the EU - I'd eat my hat if it was what we need, which is a unilateral or dated exit point from the Backstop. What will then happen in Parliament?

Clusterfluff doesn't cover it.

nomadking · 13-12-2018, 08:39

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He'll want another vote until he gets the result he wants as he feels that's his privilege.

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An EEA deal is not on offer. That's not an automatic right. The only automatic rights are no deal and remain. The non-automatic right is the deal that Theresa May has negotiated.

What deal is that? Everybody keeps going on about a "deal" when no such thing is on offer in any shape or form. it is just supposed to be an interim agreement in place until the actual "deal" is agreed. That interim agreement not only treats NI differently from the rest of the UK, but continues freedom of movement and having to follow and obey the EU.

People also keep going about the "sovereignty of Parliament", but the interim agreement tramples all over that because the setting of rules and regulations are meant to have been brought back to the UK by the Brexit bill, The interim agreement overturns that Parliamentary vote.