Traffic Shaping

[jtwn]

Well it wasn't like they were just going to sit by and let ADSLMax take their customers.

[etccarmageddon]

there would have been plenty of technical consultation.

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

there would have been plenty of technical consultation.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

there would have been plenty of technical consultation.

Marketing Guys - "Could we offer 10Meg to customers"
Technical Guys - Looking disgusted and wondering how stupid the marketing guys really are "Err"
Marketing Guys - "That wasn't a no! Lets get the press release out!"

Originally Posted by dezzo

Marketing Guys - "Could we offer 10Meg to customers"
Technical Guys - Looking disgusted and wondering how stupid the marketing guys really are "Err"
Marketing Guys - "That wasn't a no! Lets get the press release out!"

So you was at the meeting too.

Good post by the way

[etccarmageddon]

the technical guys would have advised on the risks and the marketing people would have driven the decision to go ahead anyway due to the product risk - ie. the product becoming no longer competitive.

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by dezzo

Marketing Guys - "Could we offer 10Meg to customers"
Technical Guys - Looking disgusted and wondering how stupid the marketing guys really are "Err"
Marketing Guys - "That wasn't a no! Lets get the press release out!"

Agreed apart from that last line, you assume it would have mattered if the tech guys had said no

[brundles]

Looking back at the response here, we're either way too cynical or several of us have had a ton of grief in our technical jobs as a result of sales/marketing teams at some point.

Personally I probably fall in both categories

[Griffin]

Sounds a bit like most time & motion people at most companies, Crystal ball & egg timer springs to mind

[grubbymitts]

Ahh, the old time and motion guys. Here's how we used to do it at Royal Doulton:

We'd purposefully slow right down, inspecting each and every piece of clay before it went on the machines. Whenever we dropped a piece of clay, we'd go for a long walk to get the brush and pan. We'd make sure that every speck of clay was picked up and put in the recycling bins. Then we'd go and return the brush and pan. This would go on all day. They would then give us a rate for the job for each piece. We would then speed the process up, stick any old piece of clay on the machines, sweep up at the end of the shift with the brush and pan that we hid on the top of the dryers. Our rates would rocket. They would then be forced to stick us on an average rate - about £9 an hour and we'd slow right down again (why work fast when you get that kind of money?).
No wonder the place went down

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground

NTL must have known this would happen. If there is only around 33Mbps on a UBR then 3 and a bit people maxing out their 10Mbps is going to kill it. Surely they knew that?

Traffic shaping is a good idea until they get their act and their network together but the shaping they must be enforcing (if any) seems rediculous in speed terms. I can 99.9% of the time max out my 2Mbps connection no problem at all.

You pay for 10Mbps, you should get at least half of it garunteed (at least within the NTL network).

Just my £0.02!

umm its 27mbps not 33 so not even 3 people can be simultaneous.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

It was a marketing decision, not a technical one.

does that make it ok?

sorry but if marketing can get a go ahead when their isnt the means to provide it from a technical point of view it shows the company is a shambles for communication between its departments and leadership.

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Originally Posted by jtwn

Well it wasn't like they were just going to sit by and let ADSLMax take their customers.

Am I right that BT have been spending a while on their 21CN network and preparing exchanges for ADSLMax and also running trials for a while.

NTL just decide over a meeting with some biscuits and coffee, next thing we know their is 10meg configs been rolled out and the option added to the online package change screen.

Bit of a difference.

[jtwn]

...............Yeah, I think the desicion was snap made just like that too.........

[Chrysalis]

Ok, when did you first hear ntl were "defenitly" starting a 10meg broadband service? and did you ever have a defenite date.

How long before adsl max was launched did you first hear it was coming, BT made adslmax public in 2005, ntl had a long time to prepare for a faster product it wasnt like it hit them out of nowhere so saying they had to do something to stop their customers leaving isnt much of an excuse.

I also find it hard to believe how supplying someone with a service that runs at under 2meg in the evenings for 34.99 is going to stop them leaving.

I would be interested to be proven wrong, I remember in dec 2005, anyone on 10meg was considered to be on "the trial" or was there a previous proper trial, anyone on it feel free to speak up so we know ntl did do some kind of preparation for this product launch.

[Chrysalis]

Took a look at adslguide and the adslmax has been bodged up even with their trials etc.

Not sure what is going on here tho, last 3 nights in a row I have been unable to achieve 10mbit no matter what time.

Earlier on I had 4mbit at 6.30ish so I thought something is better and was expecting full whack now, but speeds fluctuating from just 1mbit to 7mbit wildly mostly around the 3mbit mark.

dslzone speed
http://www.dslzoneuk.net/speedtest/t...ate=1144197588
http://www.dslzoneuk.net/speedtest/t...ate=1144197657

They didnt add my results to the ntl speed results database because below 50% so ntl's avg speed on their will be higher then it should.

As your result is under 50% or above 105%, it has not been recorded to the database.
This is to prevent any erroneous results from affecting your ISP's speed average.

Please ensure that you are taking the correct test for your connection.

and

1st 512K took 1578 ms = 324.5 KB/sec, approx 2674 Kbps, 2.61 Mbps
2nd 512K took 1688 ms = 303.3 KB/sec, approx 2499 Kbps, 2.44 Mbps
3rd 512K took 1453 ms = 352.4 KB/sec, approx 2904 Kbps, 2.84 Mbps
4th 512K took 2500 ms = 204.8 KB/sec, approx 1688 Kbps, 1.65 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 2441 Kbps, 2.38 Mbps

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Took a look at adslguide and the adslmax has been bodged up even with their trials etc.

what makes you think that? are people complaining of crap speeds?