PM Boris forms a government - Page 63

Pierre · 25-07-2019, 22:54

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Point proved about those unable to do thinking ! The Commons isn't there for entertainment,

What country do you live in again?

PMQ’s ( although this wasn’t that, but as good as), is a partially scripted performance from both sides, to ensure they get their scripted statements delivered and published on social media tout suite.

I didn’t realise you were so naive Mr K, would you like me to explain other stuff to you.....Father Christmas isn’t real you know, and wrestling slightly fake too.

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when climate suddenly does become the no 1 priority it'll be too late, - it probably already is tbh. Deal or no deal, Brexit will be irrelevant.

They should bring back deal or no deal. You could be a banker.

daveeb · 25-07-2019, 22:54

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It doesn't mean they found the terms acceptable. It was the only deal on offer.

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Did you actually watch it on Thursday. What bits did you find unpalatable?

I listened to some of it. He's full of bluster and rambling metaphors. Didn't answer most of Corbyns questions (especially the one about capital punishment).

Some of his suggestions e.g. old age care were good, however the finer detail was conspicously lacking. If Corbyn had suggested spending half as much as Bojo's ideas will cost there'd be people saying he'll turn us into Venezuela.

Pierre · 25-07-2019, 22:59

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Great comment in the FT from "FFD"

https://www.ft.com/content/aa7b97fa-...0-530adfa879c2

Why is it funny?

1andrew1 · 26-07-2019, 00:00

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Why is it funny?

No one has said it is funny. It's interesting how so many people in the Cabinet who said yes to the agreement now find it unacceptable.

pip08456 · 26-07-2019, 04:01

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No one has said it is funny. It's interesting how so many people in the Cabinet who said yes to the agreement now find it unacceptable.

Really?

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Mr Johnson told the Commons that the current terms of the withdrawal agreement — negotiated by Theresa May, his predecessor, and rejected three times by parliament — were “unacceptable”.
It's funny that from the 32 people that sit in the new cabinet, 28 of them found the terms acceptable last March, and the only Johnson that actually said it was not acceptable isn't named Boris:

**Maggy** · 26-07-2019, 07:51

A reminder about not making this a brexit thread as there are a lot of other issues and matters involved in being PM

daveeb · 26-07-2019, 11:39

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Really?

"Funny" clearly = strange in the contex it was writtent.

pip08456 · 26-07-2019, 11:42

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Originally Posted by daveeb

"Funny" clearly = strange in the contex it was writtent.

And?

**Chris** · 26-07-2019, 11:45

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No one has said it is funny. It's interesting how so many people in the Cabinet who said yes to the agreement now find it unacceptable.

Interesting, in that this is how cabinet government is supposed to work. The Brexit shenanigans of the last few months have perhaps made us forget that cabinet is supposed to debate and agree a position on something and then all members of the cabinet unite behind it in public, as the jointly agreed position, regardless of what their personal views on it were.

Government cannot function if there are constant abstentions, briefings and rebellions on issues that are supposed to be agreed and promoted by cabinet.

On rare occasions, when a prime minister is exceptionally powerful - being, for example, newly installed as a result of a general election or a members leadership ballot - then the PM has the personal authority to do what Boris has just done, namely to put together an entirely new cabinet with job offers explicitly contingent on the platform he has just won on, namely Brexit on 31 October, come hell or high water.

Even then, however, it is not surprising that individuals who previously backed the WA are calling it unacceptable now. That is the agreed cabinet position, and that is how cabinet is supposed to work.

richard s · 26-07-2019, 20:12

The whole lot

... strange how 28 of the 32 cabinet members have changed their minds... I suppose we have to wait and see what Bo Jo's Flying Circus turns up in the days to come.

nomadking · 26-07-2019, 20:27

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No one has said it is funny. It's interesting how so many people in the Cabinet who said yes to the agreement now find it unacceptable.

There weren't exactly many other options available. Maybe, now there will be.

Mr K · 26-07-2019, 20:38

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Originally Posted by nomadking

There weren't exactly many other options available. Maybe, now there will be.

Like disaster or utter disaster?

The EU haven't blinked and we keep repeatedly blinking. 27 versus 1, you work out the odds.....

jfman · 26-07-2019, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Like disaster or utter disaster?

The EU haven't blinked and we keep repeatedly blinking. 27 versus 1, you work out the odds.....

I’ve had the odd private message inviting me to re-enter discussion (I’m saving it for October) but everything is going according to plan from where I’m sitting.

1andrew1 · 26-07-2019, 23:27

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There weren't exactly many other options available. Maybe, now there will be.

Don't really want to get side-tracked but from a point of accuracy, I should point out that there's one less option available now.
Let's save ourselves for October/November on this debate though.

ianch99 · 27-07-2019, 16:52

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Don't really want to get side-tracked but from a point of accuracy, I should point out that there's one less option available now.
Let's save ourselves for October/November on this debate though.

What happens if there is a significant event before then? Will this place allow discussion before then?