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[aMIGA_dUDE]

Originally Posted by aMIGA_dUDE

Just watched Working Lunch (11/03/2008) and the CEO of phorm was on there. He had an easy time on the program and it only was only given a few minuts worth time at the very end.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ch/7289331.stm

At time writing it not on iplayer of broadband player until about 15:30

Well it not on Working Lunch website, "Sorry we can not bring you the program you requested". But it is on iPlayer search for "Working Lunch" 11/03/08 the intresting part is at 23:00 - 28:15.

[ceedee]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Did Rob not say he received one.

Yes, and that he'd post it when he'd got to a scanner.

Just checking in case I'd missed anybody else having received one.
(Mea culpa: I've not read *every* page of this thread!)

[GeoffW]

The only was I can see an opt in working is if there is a discount on the monthly charge. i.e clean access, or adware access.

Also does anybody ever click any of these ads?

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by Jayceef1

I have never said that I dismiss peoples genuine concerns or argue that black is white. Again you misinterpret. Just that people should base their concerns on facts rather than unfounded speculation of what it will do or what might happen in the future. A lot is of this is based on the BT implementation which is far more advanced that the others. CPW look like they will implement differently and VM could do different still. When we "know" exactly how it will work then you can make the judgement call. I know some will say not at any cost but others may not providing the safeguards are adequate or they put their own solution in place and some will not care at all.

Unless it is ruled out completely by the European commisison then it is highly likely that it will happen in some form whatever anyone thinks and most other ISPs are likely to follow suit. I am not for it but it may be something that we have to live with for cheap broadband.

You don't seem to understand the concept of lobbying very well. It is standard practice to make one's views known as publicly and as vociferously as possible before something comes to pass in order to try and influence what it is that actually does come to pass. And it is completely relevant to include in the discussion all things that are theoretically possible in the system, since once the hardware has been put in place, it it very probable that functionality will be expanded incrementally until the full capabilities of the technology are being utilized. This is just how the world works, Jayceef.

[mertle]

I have also another fear what Phorm will do to us who opt out and even worse for them if we force ISP's to make it opt in only system. Lets be honest if we do get our way force ISP to make sure opted out dont get profiled too. Who in the right mind would opt in and let them. Likely it would become a massive flop, I just cant see this company taking it lieing down seeing there revenue streams evaporate and fear they will do something.

The company is so shady I will completely be not suprised at some sort of reprisal if they dont get there nasty little way.

Possibly they will go back to rootkit development maybe with even more potential nastiness with added spam. I also wonder could they be able to set up a profiler system via a rootkit system.

[Shin Gouki]

Originally Posted by PhormUKPRteam

Again to reiterate the point Webwise can never know who you are or where you've browsed. All that is ever stored is a random number, advertiser categories eg sport or travel and a timestamp. You can permanently opt out by blocking cookies from the domain, www.webwise.com.

Tell Phorm and VM that I've researched the price of a BT line and Be's internet service and i will be going with them as soon as VM start using Phorm.

Phorm can get ph***ed!

[isf]

Can we have have a list of IP addresses for those who voted "No, I am quite happy to share my surfing habits with anyone"?

I suspect that list might be interesting and they've obviously consented

[aMIGA_dUDE]

If Phorm service is so good and the public want so much then why do they need to install some hardware at the ISP?

They could just be publicly accessible DNS / Proxy servicer's. As such they could everything they want ie stop fishing give people add as people want add's so much.

Err promblem who would use them?

Now I know why they need to put hardware inside a ISP!

PS Proxying like this would cost Phorm $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ if some used it

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Shin Gouki

Tell Phorm and VM that I've researched the price of a BT line and Be's internet service and i will be going with them as soon as VM start using Phorm.

Phorm can get ph***ed!

May i also confirm that i have everything in place to give VM the boot should they start selling my data to anyone that they think are trustworthy " that would be Root kit writers and Spyware peddlers then"

---------- Post added at 18:53 ---------- Previous post was at 18:52 ----------

Originally Posted by isf

Can we have have a list of IP addresses for those who voted "No, I am quite happy to share my surfing habits with anyone"?

I suspect that list might be interesting and they've obviously consented

And would be fun as well.

[Florence]

After reading the messages on the stock I seem to think thye feel we are fools or perverts sniuppet from zoie

Branson runs an empire or successful companies, the idea of better targeting his customers and increasing advertising revenue at the same time I would only think to encourage this relationship rather than end it. My advise to those worried about this is:
1. Turn off webwise if you don't want it used;
2. Stop searching for porn or whaterever else you are doing, or perhaps do it with your partner rather than on your own;
3. Enjoy your life and go for a walk with your partner rather than sit in front of the computer hiding whatever material you are looking at;
4. Set up another account on the computer;
5. Buy some shares as it will hit £50 soon

Zoie

Taken from a very interesting read about falling shares http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...scussion&it=le
Going to start at the top and enjoy this before I order my Bt line then free internet oh while I remember my mother wil be moving also with her 3 package.

there is always pressure on this as there is never enough stock around. Could go lower before it moves higher again. Just need news of a contract sign and we are off.

Not sure what use it will be if many leave

[Traduk]

I see that in the BBC report, Kent Ertegrul is confused over why the detractors are concerned about opt-in or opt-out and he finds our lack of understanding of the clear choices a bit bizarre. IMO the answer is crystal clear and that is that if the ISP's give a 100% certainty that an opt-out has absolutely nothing to do with any equipment associated with Phorm or its associates whether by pass through, mirroring or any other method then proceed and prosper or fail on merit.

"Having advertising behind it allows for better cheaper broadband" he supposedly said. That might sway a few wavering detractors so expand that comment from the world of maybies and get the ISP's to flesh out exact proposals of how they will deliver these improvements in both performance and cost reductions.

The spin surrounding this debacle takes reading to believe. The BT trialists are all Opt-in by virtue of the fact they have responded to or will respond to invitations. Volunteers are always opt-in and I bet there are huge numbers of people salivating at the chance to get in on the trial but they will have to sign up to as yet unfinished T&C's. I bet they try secrecy as a condition but for a company that doesn't respect privacy forget it, as it will be in the public domain within hours.

[SMHarman]

Hmmm, now does AOL still offer service through Cable? If it does, would the use of AOL service be impacted by this?

[lucevans]

The following statement is for the benefit or any Phorm or Virgin Media directors, employees or subcontractors who are lurking on this forum to gather information about why some VM customers are against the OIX system:

I now believe that I do have a clear understanding of how this system will work, and I am still implacably against it. This is not because I don't want to be targeted with advertising. It is not because I think that the system will allow my browsing habits to be linked to my identity. My objection is on a fundamental level: I believe that no organization (with the exception of my elected government, under certain, strict circumstances) should have the right to monitor, gather or analyze any information about what I read, write or buy unless I give my written consent to that organization in advance, regardless of whether that information has been anonymized or not. This includes the routing of said information through hardware within my ISP's network that has been installed as part of the Phorm system when I have opted-out, irrespective of whether a digest of that information is created or not. I believe that to do so infringes my right under European law to a private life.

[dav]

Originally Posted by lucevans

The following statement is for the benefit or any Phorm or Virgin Media directors, employees or subcontractors who are lurking on this forum to gather information about why some VM customers are against the OIX system:

I now believe that I do have a clear understanding of how this system will work, and I am still implacably against it. This is not because I don't want to be targeted with advertising. It is not because I think that the system will allow my browsing habits to be linked to my identity. My objection is on a fundamental level: I believe that no organization (with the exception of my elected government, under certain, strict circumstances) should have the right to monitor, gather or analyze any information about what I read, write or buy unless I give my written consent to that organization in advance, regardless of whether that information has been anonymized or not. This includes the routing of said information through hardware within my ISP's network that has been installed as part of the Phorm system when I have opted-out, irrespective of whether a digest of that information is created or not. I believe that to do so infringes my right under European law to a private life.

well said

[diddy1]

I was Just on my way home listening to Chris Evans and the news reader on there spoke to the CEO of Phorm and according to him, that we the public have voted for this in huge amounts with our internet providers with all the on line polls we have filled in?????

She asked him why there was so many objections in forums against this if that was the case, he replied if any thing Phorm have not explained there self fully to what they can offer, He also stated that there is no way any one could be identified as we all get this random number.

The news reader said to him so if any person was looking at terrorism would they inform the police, his answer was no because they dont hold any information.

Am i convinced that this guy was telling the truth.... Not a chance in a million years would i believe him.

He also stated they were soon to go live, and we would know when it happens as we would see a a page filled with what ever garbage they want us to believe.

I would love to hear this guy in a debate with more internet savvy people rather than some ill informed news reader.