Brexit

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

The only real losers are Labour's comprise position and May's deal.

True, which seems to imply compromise, either way, is a vote loser.

Therefore, Tory and Labour need to decide what side of the coin they’re on. All this talk of “ bringing the country together” won’t get them anywhere.

Originally Posted by jfman

That’s why this poll isn’t a meaningful measure of anything. You can spin it anyway, up to and including the public resoundingly rejecting Farage’s “no deal”.

It doesn’t change anything in Parliament either.

The public clearly rejects staying in. Lib Dem’s has a single party issue for Remain, their bollocks to Brexit mantra, was heavily defeated by Brexit Party. ChUK didn’t even get on the map, they too, had a strong Remain policy.

Brexit Party are the absolute victors here and are now the largest single party in the European Parliament.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

The public clearly rejects staying in. Lib Dem’s has a single party issue for Remain, their bollocks to Brexit mantra, was heavily defeated by Brexit Party. ChUK didn’t even get on the map, they too, had a strong Remain policy.

Brexit Party are the absolute victors here and are now the largest single party in the European Parliament.

The public doesn’t clearly do anything from this result which is why a second referendum is inevitable.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Not all Conservatives are Brexiteers Mick, could be argued the support they had left are the Remainers in the Party. Same for Labour. In which case Remain won by an even bigger margin. No wonder there is paranoia from the Leave side on another vote !

This is just utter nonsense. Tories campaigned on a “Get Brexit done” in this election. So they are a leave party. Labour are the confusing party they can swing either way. But they also spoke about getting Brexit done and doing a deal during the campaign. They were not singing for Remain, that’s why Lib Dem’s pooled well from them.

Leave won last night (again) , quite heavy in some places. BP had 60% voter turn out in one area.

[1andrew1]

Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell now favour a people's vote. I wonder if the Conservatives will respond and try and take a harder Brexit line.

Labour is edging closer to support for a second Brexit referendum, after a drubbing at the European Parliament elections which saw Remain voters desert them for Liberal Democrats and Greens.
In early-morning messages after seeing the party slump to third place with a 14 per cent share of the vote, both Jeremy Corbyn and shadow chancellor John McDonnell said that the issue of EU withdrawal must be put to a public vote – which could come in a general election or a Final Say referendum.
Notably, neither mentioned Labour’s alternative Brexit deal, which has previously been presented as a preferable option to a second referendum.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8931476.html

Originally Posted by jfman

The public doesn’t clearly do anything from this result which is why a second referendum is inevitable.

Rubbish. Stop lying. The public rejects staying in. This is perfectly clear in the results last night. “Bollocks to Brexit”, “Stop Brexit” from Lib Dem’s, was clearly not very appealing and lost heavy to Brexit Party in practically every region except London and Scotland.

Originally Posted by Pierre

True, which seems to imply compromise, either way, is a vote loser.

Therefore, Tory and Labour need to decide what side of the coin they’re on. All this talk of “ bringing the country together” won’t get them anywhere.

Yup and that appears to be what they’re doing.

I think it can only read to disaster and a complete fracturing of the country. This is why I thought May’s deal should have passed first time. Everyone would hate it but at least it wouldn’t be total disaster for either. Instead someone is going to 100% win and the consequences will follow. No one seems to remember everyone has to live together when this is all over.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mick

Rubbish. Stop lying. The public rejects staying in. This is perfectly clear in the results last night. “Bollocks to Brexit”, “Stop Brexit” from Lib Dem’s, was clearly not very appealing and lost heavy to Brexit Party in practically every region except London and Scotland.

The message from the lib dem's with their new slogan is bollocks to democracy .

Originally Posted by Mick

Rubbish. Stop lying. The public rejects staying in. This is perfectly clear in the results last night. “Bollocks to Brexit”, “Stop Brexit” from Lib Dem’s, was clearly not very appealing and lost heavy to Brexit Party in practically every region except London and Scotland.

The Greens are heavily Remain too. They campaigned on free movement for example. Staying in the EU was at the centre of their campaign.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Rubbish. Stop lying. The public rejects staying in. This is perfectly clear in the results last night. “Bollocks to Brexit”, “Stop Brexit” from Lib Dem’s, was clearly not very appealing and lost heavy to Brexit Party in practically every region except London and Scotland.

I’m not lying. 2016 demonstrated that some 17 million people voted to leave. Less than that voted for the Brexit party. Getting into guesswork about what’s in the heads of Conservative/Labour voters, given the multitude of issues those parties stand for, is speculative at best.

Why are you so terrified of a second referendum if you are so certain?

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Greens are heavily Remain too. They campaigned on free movement for example. Staying in the EU was at the centre of their campaign.

Plus SNP. Almost 4% of the UK wide vote.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Rubbish. Stop lying. The public rejects staying in. This is perfectly clear in the results last night. “Bollocks to Brexit”, “Stop Brexit” from Lib Dem’s, was clearly not very appealing and lost heavy to Brexit Party in practically every region except London and Scotland.

The Lib Dems had a brilliant night. As for their slogan it's about time Brexiteers had some of their own abusive type language thrown back at them.

A drop of 52% to 34% shows support for Brexit is declining and will continue to do so.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

The Greens are heavily Remain too. They campaigned on free movement for example. Staying in the EU was at the centre of their campaign.

I would suggest that most of the green vote was in response to issues with the planet,ie Climate change ,plastic in the oceans,air pollution etc .
The lib dem's had a clear message to ignore the results of democracy and many bought into that ideology .

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I would suggest that most of the green vote was in response to issues with the planet,ie Climate change ,plastic in the oceans,air pollution etc .
The lib dem's had a clear message to ignore the results of democracy and many bought into that ideology .

You can take that weak line with every party that is not a single-issue party.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The Lib Dems had a brilliant night. As for their slogan it's about time Brexiteers had some of their own abusive type language thrown back at them.

A drop of 52% to 34% shows support for Brexit is declining and will continue to do so.

And support for no-deal is even lower - just 26%.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...no-deal-brexit

The video of people laughing with Tommy Robinson's vote share was read out was a highlight of the evening I must say.

[papa smurf]

After the huge win by the Brexit party the EU will be looking more closely at refusing any further extensions as we have become toxic to their ideology. more likely we will in effect get kicked out of the club without lifting a finger.