Cable Forum Vaccinations (Booster)

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Maggy

I've had everything on offer for 70 years.I'm still here.

Not as many years in as you, but I'm in the same school of thinking. Given a choice I'll take my chances with the vaccine over the virus all day long. I know it's not a cure but if it lessens the effects then sign me up. Also, a couple of in-laws were very well respected GP's before retiring and I'll listen to their opinions before some stranger on Facebook or wherever they choose hold court.

[Stuartbe]

I'm supposed to be in the "at risk" category and have heard nothing from my doctors either. I have been in hospital twice for surgery since Covid appeared to.

I have had no vaccination at all, nothing, zip and nada. Have never had covid ever as far as I know. My flatmate has to self test weekly as she works with children. To be fair though I only have contact with her and my carers.

I decided not to have any vaccinations at all when this all started as I have enough drugs swimming in my bloodstream as it is. Maybe I will have to eat my words one day but I am not convinced the vaccinations work. I know two people who have had all the jabs and boosters and they both caught it.

I personally believe its another one of these things that have been blown out of all proportion (Unless you have an underlying respiratory condition perhaps). It will all come out in the wash one day i'm sure !

[SnoopZ]

The Vaccine doesn't stop you getting it but it makes you less Ill if you do.

If it wasn't for the vaccines in late 2021 my father would be dead now.... I'll take my chances and get vaccinated so I've had my booster along with the Flu Vaccine seeing I'm over 50 so I won't read anything that comes from Tom Dick or Harry off social media.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Stuartbe

I personally believe its another one of these things that have been blown out of all proportion (Unless you have an underlying respiratory condition perhaps). It will all come out in the wash one day i'm sure !

Yes, the 212,000 dead so far in this country were just being drama queens.

Originally Posted by Stuartbe

I am not convinced the vaccinations work. I know two people who have had all the jabs and boosters and they both caught it.

Thats a fundemental misunderstanding of what vaccines do.
Are those two people still alive ? If so, there is a good sign they worked.
As has been said many times, vaccines do not make you immune, they make your body much better prepared to fight the virus if/when you get it.

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes, the 212,000 dead so far in this country were just being drama queens.

Dont believe those numbers.... They were inflated majorly from the start to help thier agenda!!

Originally Posted by Maggy

I've had everything on offer for 70 years.I'm still here.

We are so happy Maggy

Originally Posted by Stuartbe

I decided not to have any vaccinations at all when this all started as I have enough drugs swimming in my bloodstream as it is. Maybe I will have to eat my words one day but I am not convinced the vaccinations work. I know two people who have had all the jabs and boosters and they both caught it.

Im glad you can see thru all this!!

God bless you.......

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Dont believe those numbers.... They were inflated majorly from the start to help thier agenda!!

We are so happy Maggy

Im glad you can see thru all this!!

God bless you.......

What is their agenda and how come you know all about it and no one else does

Originally Posted by Dude111

Dont believe those numbers.... They were inflated majorly from the start to help thier agenda!!

We are so happy Maggy

Im glad you can see thru all this!!

God bless you.......

Thank you, Marjorie Taylor Greene…

What next - Jewish Space Lasers?

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Dont believe those numbers.... They were inflated majorly from the start to help thier agenda!!

We are so happy Maggy

Im glad you can see thru all this!!

God bless you.......

So unbelievably insulting to people who lost someone. You should be ashamed.

[nffc]

Tbf it's true that the "deaths within 28 days of a positive test" metric - whilst entirely consistent and quantitative to measure - quite possibly wasn't ever going to be entirely accurate when determining deaths due to having the virus.


For example, someone could equally have died within 28 days of a positive test, but had minimal or no symptoms and tested negative after a couple of days, recovered perfectly and then died of another reason within the 28 days, which would count on the figure. Likewise, someone who had tested positive but died of the effects of contracting the virus more than 28 days after contracting it, would equally not count.



None of that also counts people who died due to the effects of the covid response, such as mental health issues of lockdowns, losing loved ones, isolation due to not being able to do their usual pre-pandemic activities because they were (potentially arbitrarily) deemed unsafe, or losing their careers, livelihood or business because of the restrictions, yet not having covid itself.


The figures weren't too good an idea really, in the sense that it instilled and maintained the sense of fear of the virus which was more damaging than the response. Most of the deaths, whilst all equally sad to those concerned and those around them, were definitely amongst those who were elderly and/or had underlying health conditions because it was in those the virus could progress to something more serious. You could see this from when vaccinations started how the cases and deaths dropped (as much due to restrictions as vaccinations) but when the cases went up again due to delta (which wasn't milder) and then omicron (which was) the deaths did not as much, meaning restrictions weren't generally needed any more. And there were other ways to work after the initial panic had subsided without restrictions too (such as specific advice to people with symptoms to isolate - close contacts without symptoms was overkill really - and for those at risk to consider their activities and interactions to see if it was worth the risk).



There were, of course, reasons why behavioural scientists were engaged to help with the messaging of the covid response.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Paul

I know several people, inc me, who won on the lottery within 3 days of jabs.

As one has since died , guess they lost on that lottery and yes it's on the death certificate as complications after COVID jab be a factor , partner was told they was pressure to leave jab off , doctor refused , knew her well , no history of stokes or any associated problems.

[Dude111]

Thats very sad....Im so sorry

Most people are in denial that this is killing people and its sad......

[jonbxx]

I met my first anti vaccine person in the wild this weekend. The wife and I were walking up the steps to our local and there’s a defibrillator by the entrance. This chap asked how long it had been there (about three months) and said it was there because of COVID vaccines giving people heart attacks.

I just said ‘no’ while the wife launched into one at him! He tried citing Aseem Malhotra as a reliable source of information and I just laughed…

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Thats very sad....Im so sorry

Most people are in denial that this is killing people and its sad......

The essential question is this:

Are you more likely to die or get seriously ill from Covid, having had no vaccinations or from having the Covid vaccine?

I think most rational people know the answer to this. For those that do not, there is tremendous scope for people to make money and make a platform for their own ego/narcissism/etc.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The essential question is this:



I think most rational people know the answer to this. For those that do not, there is tremendous scope for people to make money and make a platform for their own ego/narcissism/etc.

This surely isn't as clear cut though - or the same for everyone.


The covid vaccinations do come with risks and side effects, this is common knowledge, some of them are detailed in the leaflet they give out, some of them have been reported on and known to be true, indeed they stopped giving out AZ to younger people because the risk of blood clotting was worse than the risk of getting covid and they had other vaccines. And there is a link with the mRNA vaccines and myocarditis.


Usually with younger people, unless they have any underlying conditions which might push them higher up the vaccination queue, the risk of covid infection is low, so they will get it but usually not seriously and recover after a few days with no ill effects. Vaccination doesn't prevent illness and simply gives the immune system a head start so this is just preventing illness which is more severe which this age group is unlikely to be massively affected by. So if the illness is the same whether vaccinated or not how much use is the vaccine and what is it preventing? It's there where you introduce side effects. If you're otherwise healthy and the vaccine is unlikely to change the course of a covid illness but the reaction to the vaccine might give you a heart condition then what's worse? I don't necessarily agree with it but that's where the crux of the argument comes from.


Clearly in older people and those with conditions getting a severe covid infection would cause issues the argument is much clearer.


And all the omicron strains seem to have immune escape (indeed some from each other) so even people with the BA.1 vaccine can still get whatever's coming round...