Coronavirus (OLD)

[tweetiepooh]

But are they wrong? Even if immunity seems short term, what is impact of repeated exposure? Will immune systems "learn" and "remember" better? Will subsequent exposures have fewer symptoms or less severe even for those who did have issues on first exposure?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

The Great Barrington Declaration is an interesting approach - lock down the vulnerable HARD and let everyone else go about their day as an alternative to everyone being locked down a bit. According to this study, that would equate to around 20% of the population being super locked down.

The questions arising from this approach would be;

• Would those who are locked down comply?
• What would be the effects on this population?
• Is there long lasting immunity from COVID?

So you're removing a significant amount of demand from the economy. Those working from home will continue to do so.

This isn't the silver bullet they proclaim it to be.

[Carth]

Couple of quick and easy questions for the 'experts' to answer:

1) If you test positive, then self isolate for 14 days before returning to work (without a further test I might add), does this mean you're now clear and can't spread the virus?

2) If, as is being found in quite a few cases, a large number of people (over 100) are mass tested, 80% are found to be positive with 80% of them showing no symptoms (which could be only a cough or sore throat), would it be feasible the test is picking up the 'dead and long gone' virus residue?

3) if it was possible - obviously it isn't - to test the whole UK population (lets call it 65 million) in one day, what percentage do you think would test positive with no symptoms?


answers on a postcard to guesswork.com


can you tell I've had enough of this crap?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

But are they wrong? Even if immunity seems short term, what is impact of repeated exposure? Will immune systems "learn" and "remember" better? Will subsequent exposures have fewer symptoms or less severe even for those who did have issues on first exposure?

If we don’t do it, we may never know.

Do you stay in the cave and never venture out because you’ve been told there are Monsters out there?

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It’s now 3 weeks since the infection rate jumped from below 1000 per day to above 3000 per day. It is two weeks since it jumped above 5,000 per day.

We’ve been advised that ICU care, if required, usually comes in at 10 days.

The death rate has remained below 100 since 28 July.

The “body bags” as once was purportedly advised to me, are not “piling up”

[jfman]

What do you mean if we don't do it we may never know - evidence for immunity or otherwise will emerge either way. You don't have to risk millions of lives to do that.

Hospitalisations, ICU and deaths are all on an upward trend.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from The Sun:

A group of Northern Mayors are today at war with the Government over lockdown rules - as they fight new restrictions which may close pubs within days.

The leaders of Leeds, Manchester and Newcastle city councils - Judith Blake, Sir Richard Leese and Nick Forbes - joined Liverpool mayor Joe Anderson to write to the Health Secretary to say they are "extremely concerned" with the rise in cases.

And they said they would not back any more economic lockdown measures which would hurt businesses.

The Labour politicians wrote: "The existing restrictions are not working, confusing for the public and some, like the 10pm rule, are counter-productive.

They called for additional powers to punish those who break rules, and for new restrictions to be developed by police, council and public health experts and for a locally-controlled test and trace system instead of the national one.

They added: "We want to be clear however that we do not support further economic lockdowns."

Seeing pictures and video of crowded streets after the 10pm curfew shows that it's not the right way to tackle the spread and is probably counter-productive.

The current surge in cases is primerilly due to the Universities opening and students mixing together despite the six rule.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Seeing pictures and video of crowded streets after the 10pm curfew shows that it's not the right way to tackle the spread and is probably counter-productive.

The current surge in cases is primerilly due to the Universities opening and students mixing together despite the six rule.

Does the rule of six applies to students. I though they were in larger bubbles based on their halls of residence/house shares etc.

[heero_yuy]

A quick search reveals:

Quote from inews:

Universities may have to inform the police if students are breaking the rule of six on campus, a top vice-chancellor has said.

Julia Buckingham, the head of Brunel University London and the president of Universities UK, also warned that universities needed local test centres to be operational to stop students potentially spreading the virus.

Speaking exclusively to i, Professor Buckingham said universities would try to manage social distancing requirements within their “existing disciplinary procedures”.

Appears the rule applies to students as well wherever they are.

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Quote from The Sun:

Greene King is planning to close 79 pubs and restaurants in a move it's blamed on the government's 10pm entertainment curfew.

The boozer has confirmed 26 sites will permanently shut, while a further 53 will temporarily close with their future remaining in the balance.

<snip>

Greene King is just the latest chain to announce job cuts after struggling with the coronavirus.

Clive Watson, chief executive of City Pub Group, has warned of more job losses on top. He told The Financial Times earlier this week: “It’s the social distancing. In a pub environment six people at a table is fine but you are not getting the vertical drinking or the big bookings.”

Last week, it was predicted 300,000 jobs would be lost in pubs, bars and breweries if restrictions don’t change.

The curfew is killing the hospitality sector. Restaraunts can only get one cover per table with the early closing.

At our local table service means the staff have to get closer to you, especially for payment, even if contactless than service at the bar was achieving.

The remote gizmo they have only works indoors so if you want a pint in the garden, you have to put on a mask, go to an indoor table, wait to be served, then mask up again to walk 3 yards to the door to the garden where you can then take the mask off again. What a fiasco.

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[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Corbyn isn't sorry at all. He knew what he was flouting and should be made to walk the plank.

Johnson should get a formal warning.

Seems to be the done thing in English politics. Do wrong, say sorry and nothing else happens?

Cummings should have been disciplined to whatever extent the law would have required of the public. As should Boris Johnson's dad. If Cummings had done something on government business (I did read at the time that the reason for going to Durham was for a meeting, although I wonder if that could have been done remotely), then the government should openly admit that.

I doubt the Scottish MPs are much better, but at least when their minister travelled between London and Scotland, her party suspended her. Better than nothing.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I doubt the Scottish MPs are much better, but at least when their minister travelled between London and Scotland, her party suspended her. Better than nothing.

Sadly that's the strongest the law allows. The only people who can currently remove her from her seat are the electorate.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sadly that's the strongest the law allows. The only people who can currently remove her from her seat are the electorate.

A recall would be in order, then.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

A recall would be in order, then.

There is a process which I fully expect to be followed that ends there. There's a commons investigation that importantly has to not be prejudiced.

[1andrew1]

We have it easy in the UK compared to Brussels.

From tomorrow morning all cafes and bars in the capital city and its surrounding region are being instructed to shut down for a month.

Drinking alcohol outdoors will also be banned.

The local rules come on top of new national rules, which limit the size of individual social bubbles to four people – it had been five until today.

The regional Minister-President Rudi Vervoort said: "One person in every seven tested in Brussels returns a positive result. The virus is everywhere in the region."

The Belgian government adviser Yves Van Laethem said Brussels was now in the top three most infected cities in Europe – still below Madrid but above Paris where a similar rule for bars has already been introduced.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-54445511

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We have it easy in the UK compared to Brussels.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-54445511

That's only in their capital, what are their restrictions in other areas?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

That's only in their capital, what are their restrictions in other areas?

I think it's in the article but I just skimmed it. Still in shock about the pubs closing for a month!